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World Climate Report

» A Classic Tale of Global Warming Alarmism

» More Evidence Against a Methane Time Bomb

» Agriculture: Tropical Cyclones are Welcome Visitors

» Sea Level Acceleration: Not so Fast

» Hansen Is Wrong

» Earth’s Carbon Sink Still Strong and Growing

» Wild Speculation on Climate and Polar Bears

» Illiteracy at NASA

» The Heat Was On—Before Urbanization and Greenhouse Gases

» What’s to Blame for the Rains on the Plains?

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NewsBusters - Global Warming

» MSNBC Panel Slams GOP on Global Warming, Predicts 'End of the Republican Party'

» Marking Earth Day, MSNBC’s Hayes Furthers Fossil Fuel/Slavery Comparison

» MSNBC's Schultz Slams FBN's John Stossel as 'Fossil Fool,' 'Poverty and Climate Change Are Linked'

» AP Howler: Admin's Good Friday Timing of Latest Keystone Pipeline Delay a 'Surprise'

» Al Gore: Climate Deniers 'Immoral, Unethical, and Despicable'

» Column: Chicken Little 'Science'

» NY Times Pushes 'Climate Change' Activism on Front Page Two Days in a Row, Blames GOP

» Panicked NBC: 'World Must Act Now' to 'Avert Disaster' of Climate Change

» CBS Touts Showtime's 'Groundbreaking,' 'Well-Done' New Series Hyping Climate Change

» New Climate Alarmist Tack: Go Green for God

» Thomas Friedman On Questioning Global Warming: ‘That’s Not Conservatism, That’s Trotskyite Radicalism’

» NBC Promotes Global Warming Special: 'Did Climate Change Just Hit Home?'

» Univision Partners with Liberal UN Foundation on Climate Issues

» NewsBusted: Al Gore, America's Original Weather Drone

» Politico: Obama Wants 'Halo Effect' From Pope Francis, 'Whose Cool Factor Far Outweighs His Own'

» 17 News Companies Support FOIA Lawsuit Against Michael Mann

» David Letterman Pushes Jimmy Carter To Agree That A ‘Global Mandate’ Is Needed ‘To Do Anything About Climate Change’

» For NYT Enviro Reporter Justin Gillis, It's Always 'Apocalypse Now'

» Nets Uncritically Hype Dem 'All-Nighter' on Climate Change, Mocked Cruz's 'Long-Winded' Protest

» NPR Station Conducts 'Scientific' Sea Level Rise Survey Via Bizarre Computer Voice Shoutouts

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Science and Public Policy Institute

» Medieval Warm Period in Upper North America

» Can Plants Evolve Fast Enough to Cope with Increased Drought?

» Health Promoting Effects of Elevated C02 on Common Food Plants

» Response of Corals to Ocean Acidification

» Effects of Ocean Acidification and Warming on Marine Echinoderms

» Effects of Elevated C02 on Soil Carbon Sequestration

» Biospheric Productivity in South America

» Killing Wildlife in the Name of Climate Change

» Natural Resource Adaptation: Protecting Resources and Economies

» The Interaction of C02 and Non-Ozone Air Pollutants on Plant Growth

» Global Cooling

» The Final Final IPCC AR5 WGI Report

» Rising Atmospheric C02 and Soil Erosion

» The IPCC Admits Defeat

» Medieval Warm Period in the Contiguous United States

» Evolution in Natural Vegetation: The Role of C02

» Lindzen Libeled

» Health-Promoting Effects of Elevated C02 on Medical Plants

» Effects of Increased C02 on Woody Plant Pests

» The Scientific Method

» Judith Curry's Statement to the Committee on Environment and Public Works of the US Senate

» Risking Lives to Promote Climate Change Hype

» Global Hurricane Trends

» Water Use Efficiency of Trees

» Game Over! The IPCC Quietly Concedes Defeat

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Climate Science: Roger Pielke Sr. Research Group

» Roger Pielke Sr. is now on Twitter!

» 2012 Climate Science Weblog in Review by Dallas Jean Staley – A Guest Post

» The Weblog Is Retiring

» Publication Of “Reply to “Comment On ‘Ocean Heat Content And Earth’s Radiation Imbalance. II. Relation To Climate Shifts’ ” by Nuccitelli Et Al. By Douglass and Knox 2012

» Q&A From A Group Of Retired NASA Personnel And Associates

» The Importance of Land Use/Land Practices On Climate – A Perspective From Jon Foley

» Interview With James Wynn In The English Department At Carnegie Mellon University

» University Of Alabama At Huntsville October 2012 Lower Tropospheric Temperature Analysis

» USA Election Day 2012

» New Paper “Climatic Variability Over Time Scales Spanning Nine Orders of Magnitude: Connecting Milankovitch Cycles With Hurst–Kolmogorov Dynamics” By Markonis And Koutsoyiannis

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» Turney in the Climategate Dossier

» Radiocarbon calibration and Bayesian inference

» The “Ethics Application” for Lewandowsky’s Fury

» Frontiers Issues Statement on Lewandowsky

» SH Proxies: Peru d18O

» Neukom and Gergis Serve Cold Screened Spaghetti

» UWA Vice Chancellor Johnson Refuses Data Again Again

» UWA Vice-Chancellor Refuses Lewandowsky Data

» Lewandowsky Ghost-wrote Conclusions of UWA Ethics Investigation into “Hoax”

» Lewandowsky’s Fury

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Watts Up With That?

» Friday Funny – ‘Giant sucking sound’ over siphoning definition

» Not only do we have the slowest start to tornado season in a century, but tornado damage losses are in decline

» Extreme Times

» Some corals decide they can deal with warming

» Svensmark’s Cosmic Theory and Cloud Cover Depictions in Little Ice Age Art.

» An alternate theory for the terrestrial ice-age trigger

» Quashing frack-fights with fools

» Hearing restoration with gene therapy – I knew this day would come

» America’s Power Grid at the Limit: The Road to Electrical Blackouts

» The Empire of the Viscount Strikes Back!

» Best Dana-dodge™, ever

» Claim: Odds of storm waters overflowing Manhattan seawall up 20-fold, new study shows

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Global Warming News

» Does a Recent Peer-Reviewed Study Say It’s Okay to Lie about Climate Change?

» On Global Warming, Could Administration & Its Cheerleaders Be Any More Out of Touch with American People?

» Did EPA Administrator Gina McCarthy Drop Hints Regarding §111(d) Guidelines on Daily Show?

» Chutzpah: Fossil Fuel Shill Sierra Club Impugns Political Spending by Fossil Fuel Industry

» Delusional Democrats Divided on Whether President’s Keystone Punt Is Apolitical or Amazing Politics (It’s neither)

» Breaking News Shocker: Billionaire Influence Peddler Tom Steyer Doesn’t “Embrace” Koch Comparison

» EPA’s Downward Revision of Cellulosic Target Reminds Us (again) That Government Can’t Create Viable Green Energy Industries

» Happy Earth Day: Dispelling Environmental Myths and Celebrating Human Achievement

» Fracking Earth Day Video “Appalls,” “Offends” Eco-Activists

» Biofuels Worse for Environment Than Thought, Flunk Standard in 2007 Energy Law

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Fox News - Climate Change Stories

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Michelle Malkin - Enviro-Nitwits

» EPA chief spends Earth Week crop dusting country with carbon emissions in desperate attempt to stave off climate change

» For those longing for the days of Solyndra, DOE spending $4 billion to make it happen again

» Latest hot trend for saving the planet: Propose throwing ‘climate deniers’ in prison

» Inevitable: Maybe Malaysia Airlines flight 370 hasn’t been found because of… global warming

» Settled science: Global warming has raised ocean level so much Cory Booker can no longer drive to Hawaii

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DailyTech Michael Asher`s blog

» Will the Real Antarctica Please Stand Up?

» Global Warming May Decrease Hurricanes, Research Suggests

» Japanese Report Disputes Human Cause for Global Warming

» Sea Ice Ends Year at Same Level as 1979

» A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the (Climate) Forum

» Climate Report Downgrades Ice Loss; Media Reports Opposite

» Princeton Physicist Calls Global Warming Science "Mistaken"

» Defying Predictions, Sea Level Rise Begins to Slow

» Electric Car Sales in Freefall; Industry Risks Collapse

» Glaciers in Norway Growing Again

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C3 - Climate Cycles Change

» Those Stubborn Facts: 99.9% Proof That IPCC "Expert" Climate Models Are Hugely Wrong - The Science Is Indisputable

» Newest Climate Research: Snow Extent Unaffected By Human CO2 Emissions, Contrary To IPCC "Expert" Predictions

» IPCC Gold-Standard Confirms: CO2 No Longer Has Any Global Warming Impact On Month of February

» Fundamental Lies of The UN's IPCC: "Food Production Harmed By CO2 & Warmer Temperatures"

» International Team of Scientists Discredit "Scary" Sea Level Rise Myth: Possibly 2.1 Inch Increase By Year 2050

» Climate Models: Documentation From NOAA Confirms Quackery of Computer Simulations

» Those Stubborn Facts: Chinese Scientists Confirm That Medieval Period Warmer, That Solar Impact Is Huge

» Climate FactCheck: Exactly How Much Did The Democrats' 'Cash-for-Clunkers' Reduce Global Warming?

» A Reminder From NOAA: It's Now 17+ Years And Global Warming Trend Still AWOL In U.S.

» Climate FactCheck: Plastic Bags & More Quack, Global Warming Anti-Science From Democrats

» Climate FactCheck: The Quack Anti-Science of Democrats - Dimmer Than A 40-Watt Incandescent Bulb

» Per NOAA: U.S. Climate Change Not So Much During The Massive CO2 Emission Increase of Modern Era

» Climate Sensitivity: The Old "Consensus" Fails - Latest Research Provides New Answers

» Satellites Confirm: Despite A Near Trillion Tonne Human CO2 Surge, Global Atmosphere Warming Goes AWOL

» Climate "Experts" Growing List of Excuses For Global Warming 'Pause' & Official Climate Model Failures

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CATO - Global Warming

» Campaign Finance: Untangling Citizens United and McCutcheon

» Saving the Asylum System

» Measuring Misery around the World

» Piketty Gets It Wrong

» Amending Justice Stevens: How and Why We Shouldn't Change the Constitution Like This

» Let Interns Be Interns

» The Sustainability Hoax

» Powerful Force Teaching Students the Very Essence of Being Americans

» The Rise and Fall of Earth Day, a Day No One Notices Anymore

» ACA Exchanges at Risk

» We Can't Save the Environment without Freedom

» The Most [REDACTED] Administration in History

» Iran vs. Religious Minorities

» Iran Should Demonstrate It Is Ready to Join the International Community by Ending Religious Persecution

» We Need a New Earth Day

» At Yale and in the Boy Scouts, Freedom of Association Is in the Crosshairs

» The Global Warming Apocalypses That Didn't Happen

» Book Review: The Shock and Awing of America

» U.S. Foreign Policy Should Focus on Protecting Americans, Not Reassuring Friends and Allies

» Blurring the Typical Boundaries

» Walgreen Could Benefit from Moving to Europe

» Dems Want Government Health Care for All -- No Matter the Cost

» Washington's Biggest Strategic Mistake

» Shift Responsibility to the EU

» The Shocking Secret Behind Obamacare Enrollment Numbers

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CanadaFreePress - Global Warming

» Shale Boom Sends U.S. Crude Supply To Highest Since 1930s

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»Labor Leader Terry O’Sullivan suggests Obama needs ‘to grow a set – - of antlers’ – Rips ‘the billion-dollar man’ Tom Steyer: ‘He has amplified the rhetoric of the environmental fringe’ – ‘On the Keystone XL pipeline, put policy ahead of politics’
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/on-the-keystone-xl-pipeline-put-policy-ahead-of-politics/2014 ...
»DEATH WISH: Flashback 2009: Nobel-Winning Warmist Economist Thomas Schelling ‘Wished’ for ‘tornadoes’ and ‘a lot of horrid things’ to convince Americans of climate threat!
http://www.climatedepot.com/2009/09/04/death-wish-lomborgs-copenhagen-consensus-tainted-by-inclusion ...
»NOAA: ‘Slowest start to tornado activity in any year in modern record, and possibly nearly a century’ – The Decline of Tornado Devastation
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303603904579495581998804074?mg=reno64-wsj ...
»‘Nobel laureate’ UN IPCC chair Rajendra Pachauri: ‘I never use the term ‘global warming,’ because it conveys the impression that all you’re talking about is temperature’
http://tbo.com/news/education/nobel-laureate-sees-hope-for-reversing-climate-change-20140424/
»Can a carbon tax prevent crime? ‘Climate change and crime’: ‘Research indicates that weather shocks cause increased crime rates’
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_world_/2014/04/24/climate_change_and_crime_research_indicates_that_we ...
»Climate Depot Spawns A Spin-off! Energy Depot Launches! – New Website To Focus on Energy Issues Exclusively
»Marking Earth Day, MSNBC’s Hayes Furthers Fossil Fuel/Slavery Comparison
»MSNBC Panel Slams GOP on Global Warming, Predicts ‘End of the Republican Party’
»Warmists lament: ‘All Four Of North Carolina’s GOP Senate Candidates Are Climate Deniers’
»Sea levels rise slows — ‘coincides with a plateau in Earth’s mean surface temperature’ – ‘Over the last decade a [sea level rise] slowdown of this rate, of about 30%, has been recorded’
Climatologist Dr. Judith Curry: Can someone then tell me how you can infer that sea level rise is ac ...
»Sea Ice Update April 22 (Earth Day) 2014 – Antarctic Sea Ice 46th Daily Record of 2014 – Global Sea Ice 1.01 million sq km Above Normal – According to NOAA Data
»Lord Monckton takes down latest warmist claim: Prof. Shaun Lovejoy continues active marketing of his paper purporting to prove that ‘the world desperately needs to drop the skepticism and change course – humanity’s future depends on it’


Date published: Fri, 25 Apr 2014 02:12:00 +0000
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»American Thinker Publishes a Stinker
I really dislike going down this road, but it’s articles like this (Global Warming and Settled ...
»Earth Day – A Time to Reflect on Greenland’s Destruction
The recent discovery of 80-year old photos of Greenland before we melted most of the ice there provi ...
»Some Earth Day Cartoons
As in other religions, most Earth worshipers are more or less hypocritical. Spend a day being ...
»Can Infrared Radiation Warm a Water Body?
I frequently see the assertion made that infrared (IR) radiation cannot warm a water body because IR ...
»Life on Earth: Principal control knob governing Earth’s temperature
The title of this post is a purposeful play on the title of a 2010 paper by Lacis, Schmidt, Rind, an ...
»ENSO, SST, CERES, forcing, and feedback: The travesty continues
Now that the CERES radiative flux products from the NASA Terra and Aqua satellites have been updated ...
»Do aliens cause global warming? The data say ‘yes!’
It’s been over 11 years since the late novelist Michael Crichton advanced the hypothesis that aliens ...
»SSM/I Global Ocean Product Update: Increasing clouds with a chance of cooling
My research field of satellite passive microwave remote sensing took off like a rocket (pun intended ...
»UAH Global Temperature Update for March, 2014: +0.17 deg. C (again)
The Version 5.6 global average lower tropospheric temperature (LT) anomaly for March, 2014 is +0.17 ...
»Global Warming is Destroying April Fools Day
For the last few days I’ve been trying to think of some crazy, almost-believable angle to illu ...


Date published: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 16:38:09 +0000
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»The Thought Experiment That First Made Me A Climate Skeptic
Please check out my Forbes post today.  Here is how it begins: Last night, the accumulated years of ...
»Explaining the Flaw in Kevin Drum’s (and Apparently Science Magazine’s) Climate Chart
Cross-Posted from Coyoteblog I won’t repeat the analysis, you need to see it here.  Here is th ...
»If You Don’t Like People Saying That Climate Science is Absurd, Stop Publishing Absurd Un-Scientific Charts
Reprinted from Coyoteblog science a “myth”.  As is usual for global warming supporters, ...
»Update On My Climate Model (Spoiler: It’s Doing a Lot Better than the Pros)
Cross posted from Coyoteblog In this post, I want to discuss my just-for-fun model of global tempera ...
»Climate Goundhog Day
I posted something like this over at my other blog but I suppose I should post it here as well.  Fol ...
»Amherst, MA Presentation, March 7
I will be rolling out version 3.0 of my presentation on climate that has already been around the Int ...
»Climate De-Bait and Switch
Dealing with facile arguments that are supposedly perfect refutations of the climate skeptics ...
»Lame, Desperate Climate Alarm Logic
Via Kevin Drum: Chris Mooney reports today that there’s also a very simple reason: global warm ...
»Extrapolating From A Single Data Point: Climate and Sandy
I have a new article up at Forbes on how crazy it is to extrapolate conclusions about the speed and ...
»A Great Example of How The Climate Debate is Broken
A climate alarmist posts a “Bet” on a site called Truthmarket that she obviously believe ...


Date published: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 14:43:56 +0000
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»The Tragedy of Earth Day
By Doug L. Hoffman - It is Earth Day today, a chance for all tree huggers, green activists and other ...
»Climate scientist’s emails are shielded from disclosure, Virginia Supreme Court says
By Debra Cassens Weiss - The Virginia Supreme Court has ruled that a climate scientist’s emails are ...
»Global Warming’s Upside-Down Narrative
By Bjorn Lomborg - When politicians around the world tell the story of global warming, they cast it ...
»The IPCC’s Latest Report Deliberately Excludes And Misrepresents Important Climate Science
By Joseph Blast This week, the United Nations’ Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) is r ...
»Feds spent $700,000 on a Climate Change Musical
By Michael Bastasch - It looks like the National Science Foundation has been handing out grants for ...


Date published: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 20:12:48 +0000
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»Turney in the Climategate Dossier
Today’s post finalizes some notes made earlier this year on appearances in the Climategate dos ...
»Radiocarbon calibration and Bayesian inference
A guest post by Nic Lewis   1. Introduction On 1 April 2014 the Bishop Hill blog carried a gues ...
»The “Ethics Application” for Lewandowsky’s Fury
In today’s post, I will discuss the ethics application and approval process for Fury. Accordin ...
»Frontiers Issues Statement on Lewandowsky
Following a variety of untrue allegations by Lewandowsky and his supporters, Frontiers have issued a ...
»SH Proxies: Peru d18O
One of the hidden assumptions of proxy reconstructions, as carried out by IPCC authors, is that each ...
»Neukom and Gergis Serve Cold Screened Spaghetti
Neukom, Gergis and Karoly, accompanied by a phalanx of protective specialists, have served up a plat ...
»UWA Vice Chancellor Johnson Refuses Data Again Again
Barry Woods has been trying to get Lewandowsky’s data, inclusive of any metadata on referring ...
»UWA Vice-Chancellor Refuses Lewandowsky Data
Over the past 15 months, I’ve made repeated requests to the University of Western Australia fo ...
»Lewandowsky Ghost-wrote Conclusions of UWA Ethics Investigation into “Hoax”
Following the retraction of Lewandowsky’s Fury, the validity of University of Western Australi ...
»Lewandowsky’s Fury
Moon Hoax author Stephan Lewandowsky is furious that Frontiers in Psychology has retracted his follo ...


Date published: Fri, 25 Apr 2014 06:44:23 +0000
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»Medieval Warm Period in Upper North America
Climate alarmists claim that rising atmospheric CO2 concentrations due to the burning of fossil fuel ...
»Can Plants Evolve Fast Enough to Cope with Increased Drought?
Evolution is generally thought of as acting over long periods of time. So is there anything it can d ...
»Health Promoting Effects of Elevated C02 on Common Food Plants
How will the ongoing rise in the air's CO2 content alter the amounts of various health-promoting sub ...
»Response of Corals to Ocean Acidification
It has been predicted that rates of coral calcification, as well as the photosynthetic rates of thei ...
»Effects of Ocean Acidification and Warming on Marine Echinoderms
Most of the ocean acidification research conducted to date has focused solely on the biological impa ...
»Effects of Elevated C02 on Soil Carbon Sequestration
It is important to note at the outset that atmospheric CO2 enrichment typically has but a small effe ...
»Biospheric Productivity in South America
How will the terrestrial vegetation of South America respond to global warming and atmospheric CO2 e ...
»Killing Wildlife in the Name of Climate Change
The facts show that federally subsidized efforts that are being undertaken to, in theory, address cl ...
»Natural Resource Adaptation: Protecting Resources and Economies
There is no scientific proof that human emissions of carbon dioxide (CO2) are the dominant cause of ...
»The Interaction of C02 and Non-Ozone Air Pollutants on Plant Growth
We begin this review of the interaction of CO2 and non-ozone air pollutants on plant growth with the ...


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»Marc Morano opens Energy Depot web site
Good news for people concerned about energy prices and supplies. The hard working Marc Morano will m ...
»Some enjoyable emails from Climategate 2009 featuring Professor Turney thanks to Steve McIntyre at ClimateAudit
Great stuff as Dr Turney builds a team of researchers while he angles for £3.5 million funding from ...
»Satellites say Southern hemisphere sea ice area is at a record area again
Day 110 of 2014 just snuck into record territory again according to graphic at The Cryosphere Today ...
»Giles ACORN daily minimum adjustments for 1997
This is addition to my post a few days ago – Even Giles minimums adjusted in BoM ACORN ...
»Australian Labor leader Bill Shorten can not recognize the ALP’s biggest problem is being so cosy with the Greens
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»Sometimes you see a good news story – Australian National Water Commission might be axed
Phew – our politicians are quietly working. Australian Commonwealth National Water Commission ...
»Even Giles minimums adjusted in BoM ACORN “Rolls Royce adjusted to warm more” temperature dataset
Nothing is sacred – no temperature data is immune from the warmist tampering by the Australian ...
»Australian Bureau of Meteorology (BoM) blatantly inserts warming into their ACORN version of long term rural station Rutherglen 82039 from northern Victoria
The BoM say of Rutherglen: This site is an automatic weather station located on the grounds of a res ...
»My experience with Antimalware Service Executable – while continuing to run Windows XP
OT I know but I am curious if there are any similar experiences out there. I plead guilty to being a ...
»Global Warming alias Climate Change [the non-existent, incredibly expensive, threat to us all, including to our grandchildren]
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Denny    [12/19 10:03]
Hey Ron! It looks like we will finally have a Winter this year...Hope things are going well. Yes, since Obama has other issues to deal with AGW has taken a back stage. Thank God! But I think it gives us more time to refine and to show how much of a fiasco this is. Don't get here but once a week at times. Don't know if John is primarily on Facebook or not...not much updating going on here...Have a great holiday eveyone!


ron    [12/17 10:14]
Not much activity here. We had 4 inches of ice and it stayed on the ground for over a week, here in Texas. Yes, I said, Texas. Normally, we get maybe an inch every few years.


StopSmokingPot    [02/01 09:01]
I'm loving this Gore getting bashed by MSM for selling to "big oil", the MSM of course is worried about the CO2, but the real worry should be that the programing will just continue to attack drilling in the U.S. giving the middle east the edge and the profits and the jobs, etc. etc.


WCK    [11/25 10:52]
Scientists are try to figure out what fossil fuel was used by a 9,000 year old society that caused their city to end up 120 feet below sea level. lol ;-)


WCK    [11/25 10:48]
Here is the story of the 9,000 year old city found under 120 feet of water.




WCK    [11/25 10:46]
Scientists are try to figure out what fossil fuel was used by a 9,000 year old society that caused their city to end up 120 feet below sea level. lol ;-)


ron    [11/18 05:47]
And I am still learning how to edit after recording. I come from the good old days of a 5 inch reel-to-reel.



ron    [11/18 05:46]
I'm still having problems adapting the mic to record. I sing so loud on the high parts that the mic clips and produces that distortion that you hear.


ron    [11/18 05:43]
Hey WCK, I am playing a Spectrum acoustic with Ernie Ball Slinkies. The song is the theme song from the tv show "Sons of Anarchy."


WCK    [11/17 20:56]
Hi Ron you're a blast from the past. I really like the song and am thrilled to see you're pursuing your passion. What guitar are you using in the song and what kind of strings?


ron    [11/17 17:17]
I haven't checked in for a while. Still cooking on my charcoal grill, driving a gasoline engine. And still singing.





WCK    [10/21 11:42]
SSP - Here's another group across the pond working on the same process of making fossil fuels green. and others

CO2 is a green fuel not just for plants but for humans, who knew? Since current wind and solar require Rare Earth Elements that are as limited of a resource as fossil fuels that have to be mined from the Earth, this new technology of recycling CO2 into gasoline provides an inexhaustible supply of fuel without increasing CO2. See SSP you and I have been supporting green renewable energy all along.


StopSmokingPot    [10/16 08:55]
WOW Battery maker get 9 million in Taxpayer money and the investment goes bankrupt. Hows that happen? Govt. does not know how to invest in anything.


StopSmokingPot    [10/16 08:39]
WCK CO2 to gasoline! What's the name of that company? I know the Govt. would rather invest in bankrupt solar/wind. But that typical but I wouldn't mind investing in gasoline anything.


WCK    [10/10 16:41]
Fossil fuel can be a renewable energy with a net zero CO2 impact and the technology to make it so is being developed. An artificial tree that can absorb 1 ton of CO2/day can then transfer that CO2 to be combined with other chemicals to make gasoline. The cycle can be repeated indefinitely.




WCK    [08/11 08:35]
The climate disinformation ministry earlier this year tauted forest fires as more evidence of extreme weather caused by warming. As usual the public was lied to as fires this year are well below normal.

2012 (1/1/12 - 8/10/12) Fires: 39,445 Acres: 5,047,443
2011 (1/1/11 - 8/10/11) Fires: 47,187 Acres: 6,320,510
2010 (1/1/10 - 8/10/10) Fires: 41,614 Acres: 2,167,361
2009 (1/1/09 - 8/10/09) Fires: 59,990 Acres: 4,969,641
2008 (1/1/08 - 8/10/08) Fires: 56,778 Acres: 3,991,073
2007 (1/1/07 - 8/10/07) Fires: 59,258 Acres: 5,548,273
2006 (1/1/06 - 8/10/06) Fires: 74,045 Acres: 5,994,790
2005 (1/1/05 - 8/10/05) Fires: 41,003 Acres: 5,285,571
2004 (1/1/03 - 8/10/04) Fires: 50,774 Acres: 5,623,787
2003 (1/1/03 - 8/10/03) Fires: 39,467 Acres: 1,958,238



The latest satellite based global temperature fell in July and didn't even make the top 10 but in the USA we are told to just look out the window for proof of AGW. lol


WCK    [08/09 05:46]
Here is an article describing a scam in which money from carbon trading is not really reducing GHGs. It exists because the cost of producing the harmful GHG is much less than the profit from destroying the GHG. It allows companies to make 10s of millions in carbon credits by increasing the production of the harmful gas in one factory and then destroying it at their other factory. It's like paying an arsonist to put out fires and having the arsonist going out and starting more fires to put out. This reminds me of the instance where feed-in tarrifs for green energy were so high in Germany that people bought fossil fuel powered generators to run at night to shine light onto their solar panels which netted a handsom profit. Last year 800,000 German families couldn't afford heat last winter as energy costs were unaffordable.



StopSmokingPot    [08/08 15:59]
I think it's interesting that they are using sat images that are not the actual images of Greenland but use "computer generated images" to show that ice melted countrywide and visually make people think all the ice melted in 48 hours even though the ice is 2 miles thick. The amount of ice that melted nation wide was most likely less than a 16th of an inch melt.
Yes they have ramped up the disinformation they sound like the current administration. They just blurt out stuff even though they know our own eyes see different and if we question it they a attacked verbally today... but tomorrow?? It's feeling a bit Soviet.


WCK    [08/06 09:56]
SSP - The alarmists' have ramped up the disinformation campaign to frighten the ignorant and uninformed. They ignore the scientific fact that paleoclimate researchers have identified periods of past drought that lasted 200+ years in the last 1,000 years when CO2 was below 300PPM and then pretend that a few months of drought today is unprecedented and "proof" that global warming is the culprit for more extreme weather. However the actual scientific evidence that something is wrong with the current CO2 based models/theory continues to grow. Antarctic ice melt models have been found to be wrnong and now the Greenland models are being questioned for accuracy. What a shock! lol





StopSmokingPot    [08/02 19:06]
Hey guy's you've seen the sat images of Greenland purported to be take on the 8th full of ice then on the 12th with no Ice?? Just to let you know I flew over Greenland on the 14th and it was solid white what is known about this sat. imagery??


WCK    [07/16 21:10]
One of the key tenets of global warming is that warming amplification will occur in the form of increased water vapor feedback. Bryan Walsh of Time Magazine claimed that the heavy snow in D.C a few years ago was due to increased water vapor in the atmosphere caused by global warming. Of course Walsh never had data to back up his assumption and now there is 22 years of NASA "special project" data that shows that his assumption was wrong.

This is quite inconvenient as climate models base 2/3 of future warming on non-CO2 based feedbacks like water vapor. It also means that the models used by the IPCC are not robust and that it would be illogical to assume that future predictions are accurate when models are unable to replicate what the Earth is actually doing. Other problem areas for these models are aerosols, clouds and Stratospheric water vapor.


stopsmokingpot   [07/14 20:26]
At one time man new weather was Poetry not to be feared.

"Rain falls, clouds rise, rivers dry up, hailstorms sweep down; rays scorch, and impinging from every side on the earth in the middle of the world, they are broken and recoil and carry with them the moisture they have drunk up. Steam falls from on high and again returns on high. Empty winds sweep down, and then go back again with their plunder. So many living creatures draw their breath from the upper air; but the air strives in the opposite direction, and the earth pours back the breath to the sky as if to a vacuum. Thus as nature swings to and fro like a kind of sling, discord is kindled by the velocity of the world's motion."Pliny the Elder, from the Natural History, AD 77


stopsmokingpot   [07/14 20:23]
Date Line July 14 2012-Just flew back from London, Greenland pure white from head to toe, Southern Baffin Bay plenty of Ice flows from the spring & summer thaw as always. long way from not having Ice in the Arctic... You Crazy Moonbats.
Altitude 37,000 ft over Denver -60 degrees F and that's where all the Heat goes up and cooled and dispersed. HEAT-TRAPPED! No place but between you crazy ears Moonbats. Fires in Denver no, Rain, YES.


Thetruth   [07/13 16:02]
LINK--->


Thetruth   [07/13 16:02]
WCK is an Alien! Listen to what he's saying! This guys wicked smart because hes from outterspace and has a spaceship! GO GLOBALWARMING HOAX!!!


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David
Fri May 21 2010, 06:19PMQuote
GuestUnless you're one of the devote apostles of abiotic oil, then you weil know from your grade school teacher in Geography, that there are somethings called limited and renewable resources. Those resources like oil/coal are limited. When you take a closer look at that it means or would mean that the amount of oil on this planet is limited. If everything is burned off then, it's gone. While this not entirely true, because if we waited a couple tens of millions of years some of it would be replenished.
So if we are sitting on a finite amount of oil/coal/peat, whatever, then these reservoirs are one of the many world's carbon deposits. The others are the carbonates, the carbon dioxide in the atmosphere and the carbon in the biosphere. Of course, there are other sources and stashes of carbon in this world, but to keep it simple let's remain by what are considered the largest amounts. Carbonates are the stones that are formed when water and Carbon Dioxide out of the atmosphere mix with minerals like Calcium and carbonates are formed. You know hard water right. Well these carbonates when not used by the biosphere get caught in the earth's crust, these carbonates slowly reach the mantel and eventually are released as CO2 from volacnoe, hot springs, black smokers, geysers and other geological wonders. This cycle is probably one of the most important at making sure that the planet doesn't and didn't turn into a huge iceball.
The CO2 in the atmosphere is reservoir that is connected to all the others, CO2 is released and taken up by the biosphere, released and taken up by the carbonates and finally released by the burning of fossil fuels like oil/natural gas/coal. Long ago these fossil fuels were CO2 in the atmosphere were taken up by the biosphere, those plants, bacteria and animals were pushed underground in the wetlands by newer plants and animals and eventually these huge biomass reservoirs were closed off by sedimentation and over millions and millions of years, this biomass was turned into oil/coal/peat/natural gas. A lot like what will happen with out garbage dumps if we don't open them up sometime in the future.
All of the CO2 that was in the atmosphere back then is no trapped in the crust as oil/coal. It would have eventually reached the surface through natural burning off (natural coal burns, Kazachstan burning fields), release through geological events see carbonates or release through anthropogenic activities.
When oil is finite and it was earlier in the atmosphere, then that means that before life on this planet all of this CO2 was in the atmosphere. Let's take at what the atmosphere was like back then. CO2 was the main part of the atmosphere, the earth was warm, really warm and was really rainy. During this time alot of carbonates were made as would be expected but that only washed out a small part of the CO2, that was a good thing too, because the warm, wet and cloudy weather is probably one of the main reasons why life could take hold on an otherwise inhospitable rock. 3 billion years ago the earth was a different place, so too was the sun is was only 70% as strong as it is today. In fact, the sun get's stronger from year to year. So when the first life blicked the light of day, it was in a very inhospitable enviroment, but at the same time through a lack of Oxygen, something that is dangerous for all life including humans, a welcoming world for the first photosynthetic bacteria. They started taking the CO2 out of the atmosphere, and made carbon molecules and Oxygen out of it. It took almost 1 Billion years until enough CO2 was taken out of the atmosphere that the atmosphere was similiar to that today. Well, this wasn't the best thing, because the earth turned into an almost complete ice-ball for a few million years. Thank God it didn't stay like that, those bacteria died and were eaten by other bacteria and turned into CO2 again, warming up the earth again. Well after this near ice-ball experience, life went chugging along for many many years keeping an equilibrium so that we didn't run into this problem again. Of course there were asteroids and supernovae that almost wiped life off the face of this planet, but it somehow survived and kept this most important of all equilibriums going.
It kept this equilibrium by keeping trapped CO2 in the biosphere and in the crust. Every now and again the planet would get hot, more plants would grow and die and trap the CO2, the planet would cool. If an ice-age came then plants and animals would die and fewer plants would grow and the planet would warm up. Well if you know how long some of these periods took then you know that CO2 takes along time to influence the climate sometimes 100's or thousands of years.
The biggest regulator of our climate is well, mother earth/Gaia for the Greek's.
That was until we started the energy revolution, utilizing cheap fossil fuels to do the work of animals and men.
Ever since then, the level of CO2 in our atmosphere has increased along with a reduction of the biosphere. So we are at the same time warming up the earth and destroying earth's ability to regulate itself.
If I think this is as threatening as a lot of people say, no not really, but there is a chance of something going horribly wrong (might discuss this in a later post). What I do believe is that a lot of the earth's enviroment will change. Are we as a race in danger, not at all, but I do believe that due to desrtification, loss of habitat and other immense changes along with a loss of cheap energy in the form of fossil fuels, alot of the world's population will be decimated in famines, droughts, wars and other conflicts.
I think that is a high price to pay, just so that we can use cheap energy in the form of fossil fuels.
Please pardon the writing style I didn't take time to correct it.
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Finite Oil??? This is has been stated for a very long time...I mean Long Time!!!



Otherwise, David, not a bad post...yes, could use a little better structure...I know you will do better...Thanks for the posting! I hope you will continue to visit here...If you have any questions let Us know...;-)



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Unless you're one of the devote apostles of abiotic oil, then you well know from your grade school teacher in Geography, that there are somethings called limited and other called renewable resources. Those resources like oil/coal are limited. When you take a closer look at that it means or would mean that the amount of oil on this planet is limited. If all fossil fuels are burned off then, it's gone. While this is not entirely true, because if we waited a couple tens or hundreds of millions of years some of it would be replenished.
So if we are sitting on a finite amount of oil/coal/peat, whatever, then these reservoirs are one of the many carbon deposits of our earth. The others are the carbonates, the carbon dioxide in the atmosphere and the carbon in the biosphere. Of course, there are other sources and stashes of carbon in this world(the methane sitting on ocean floors and in tundras, etc.), but to keep it simple let's remain by what are considered the largest deposits. Carbonates are the stones that are formed when water and CO2 out of the atmosphere mix with minerals like Calcium and carbonates are formed. You know hard water right. Well these carbonates when not used by the biosphere get caught in the earth's crust, these carbonates slowly reach the mantel and eventually are released as CO2 from volcanos, hot springs, black smokers, geysers and other geological wonders. This cycle is probably one of the most important at making sure that the planet doesn't and didn't turn into a huge iceball.
The CO2 in the atmosphere is the reservoir that is connected to all the others, CO2 is released and taken up by the biosphere, released and taken up by the carbonates and finally released by the burning of fossil fuels like oil/natural gas/coal. Long ago these fossil fuels were CO2 in the atmosphere until they were taken up by the biosphere, those plants, bacteria and animals in the wetlands were pushed underground by newer plants and animals and eventually these huge biomass reservoirs were closed off by sedimentation and over millions and millions of years, this biomass was turned into oil/coal/peat/natural gas. A lot like what will happen with out garbage dumps if we don't open them up sometime in the future, we probably will to get at those wonderful resources we used to throw away.
All of the CO2 that was in the atmosphere back then is now trapped in the crust as oil/coal/etc.. It would have eventually reached the surface through natural burning off (natural coal burns, Kazachstan burning fields), release through geological events (see carbonates) or unnaturally through anthropogenic activities.
When oil is finite and it was earlier in the atmosphere, then that means that before life on this planet all of this CO2 was in the atmosphere or in the crust/mantel. Let's take a look at what the atmosphere was like back then. CO2 was the main part of the atmosphere, the earth was warm, really warm and was really rainy. During this time alot of carbonates were made as would be expected but that only washed out a small part of the CO2, that was a good thing too, because the warm, wet and cloudy weather and high CO2 concentration is probably one of the main reasons why life could take hold on an otherwise inhospitable rock. 3 billion years ago the earth was a different place, so too was the sun it was only 70% as strong as it is today. In fact, the sun get's stronger from year to year(may talk about this in a later post). So when the first life blicked the light of day, it was in a very inhospitable enviroment, but at the same time through a lack of oxygen, something that is dangerous for all life including humans(may also be in a post later), a welcoming world for the first photosynthetic bacteria. They started taking the CO2 out of the atmosphere, and made carbon molecules and Oxygen out of it. It took more than 1 Billion years until enough CO2 was taken out of the atmosphere that the atmosphere was similiar/not the same but similar to that today. Well, this wasn't the best thing, because the earth turned into an almost complete ice-ball for a few million years. Thank God it didn't stay like that, those bacteria died and were eaten by other bacteria and turned into CO2 again as well as the volcano activity that increased(later post), warming up the earth again. Well after this near ice-ball experience, life went chugging along for many many years keeping an equilibrium so that we didn't run into this problem again. Of course there were asteroids and supernovae that almost wiped life off the face off this planet, but it somehow survived and kept this most important of all equilibriums going.
It kept this equilibrium by keeping trapped CO2 in the biosphere and in the crust. Every now and again the planet would get hot, more plants would grow and die and trap the CO2, the planet would cool. If an ice-age came then plants and animals would die and fewer plants would grow and the planet would warm up. Well if you know how long some of these periods took then you know that CO2 takes along time to influence the climate sometimes hundreds or thousands of years.
The biggest regulator of our climate is well, mother earth/Gaia for the Greek's.
That was until we started the energy revolution, utilizing cheap fossil fuels to do the work of animals and men.
Ever since then, the level of CO2 in our atmosphere has increased along with a reduction of the biosphere. So we are at the same time warming up the earth and destroying earth's ability to regulate itself.
If I think this is as threatening as a lot of people say, no not really, but there is a chance of something going horribly wrong (might discuss this in a later post). What I do believe is that a lot of the earth's enviroment will change. Are we as a race in danger, not at all, but I do believe that due to desertification, loss of habitat and other immense changes along with a loss of cheap energy in the form of fossil fuels, alot of the world's population will be decimated in famines, droughts, wars and other conflicts.
I think that is a high price to pay, just so that we can use cheap energy in the form of fossil fuels.
This is a second draft, still not complete I might correct it again tomorrow.

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Sat May 22 2010, 07:10AMQuote
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@ Denny, first thanks for the link.
Second, I know that alot of people talk about peak oil, and alot of people say that we are soon approaching it if not already past it.
I can certainly agree that when it comes to predicting the future, it really is an uncertain buisness. Although you must admit, that some of the connections being made in that article are more than precarious.
The truth is, and that no one denies, oil reservoirs that are easy to tap, are gone. Those that were near the surface and readily found and even started the first big oil multis (quaker state/standard) are long gone. In Pennsylvania my home state you can see the old oil derricks rusting away, the same goes for much of texas and california. Those pumps with alittle oil below the surface only get turned on when the oil price jumps up to near $100 the barrel, because otherwise they are just loosing money.
It's getting harder and harder to find oil, just look at the most recent oil catastrophe in the Gulf. A well about a mile underneath the surface on top of sedimentation zone of the Mississippi delta and in one of the most dangerous areas for ocean based drilling(hurricanes). It doesn't really get more risky than that now does it.
We are attempting to find even more deposits, even deeper and even smaller, while attempting to satiate a hunger that has grown at an almost exponential rate.
Looking at the way oil skyrocketed before the recession, and how even with decreased demand it has remained at about $70, begs the question if we have not reached peak oil have we at least plateaued. For years now the production has not increased. Of course, we could open up drilling in Alaska, which is not as big as people would lead you to believe, it's easy to get at compared with today's technology but it's production wouldn't even make a dent in oil prices, we consume too much. And so I would leave Alaska untouched and let it be that what it was once called, a strategic reserve. Who knows when we really might need it, and not just for making gas 10 cents cheaper.
Have we reached peak oil, who knows, we won't really know until oil starts getting more expensive and the production decreases, so like I said we can't predict the future, we will only really know when we are going down into the valley that we were at the top.
My opinion is that we have reached peak ouput at this price. When the price goes up we will be able to start tapping alot of wells that are right now technically/economically out of bounds or start extracting energy intensive deposits like in Texas, California and in Alberta(tar sands). The only way around peak oil might be the free market, the more expensive the energy the more people start looking for it, it's like gold.
The real question behind all of this is can our country and the western world for that matter, really afford to tap these new deposits. Will the economies be able to cope with these costs. I think it's pretty obvious, that is no. Again the free market will see that conservation and efficiency will bring more than looking for more expensive oil. You see that today, people buying hybrids, SUV's and the Hummer going extinct, wind farms popping up like daisies, the first commercial solar plant being built in the U.S.
So if these trends stick, than no we won't see peak oil but rather plateau oil. My only fear is that the free market isn't fast enough when responding to infrastructure demands especially in a globalized market. Privatized water for instance trucks water to customers rather than build pipes, because in the short run it's more profitable. Privatized electricity doesn't build new masts and lines, see what happened in the west a couple of years ago and in the greater metro area of manhattan, even in winter or after a thunderstorm.
Let's be honest our energy needs belong to our infrastructure and even if we haven't theoretically reached peak oil, I'm sure we technically haven't, we have almost certainly reached peak oil economically. I don't think consumers will be able to swallow $100-150 oil any time in the near future unless inflation takes off along with salaries.
And seeing as how infrastructure, planned infrastructure, is not a real strength of private companies, I think we might be in for a real treat if the economy starts getting better.
While I don't think your link totally misses the point I think it not only oversimplifies both sides of a complex argument, but ignores important facts of the issue. Like many who preach peak oil, this article preaches the other side of the coin. While both have certain truths in their argument, both also have certain falicies, and when earlier one side was nearer the truth now the other side is reaching the middle.
Peak oil was never a question of technology, when you take a look at my first post I attempted to explain that the earth used to have a hell of alot of CO2 back in the day, now most of that CO2 is trapped in the crust and mantel. There is probably enough oil in the crust to power our civilization for a thousand years. The question really is when will the power of a man or a horse be cheaper than the equivalent of that in oil, the answer I believe is not too far in the future.

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@Denny I used the argument of finite oil, only because unless those reading the post believe that oil is finite, then they couldn't follow my argument, however if they believe in abiotic oil, then there is no way that my post could be followed as they reject the premise on which it is based. Another argument using an abiotic oil premise could come to the same conclusion but instead of finite oil, finite carbon. That is of course unless they are believers in the earth fusion hypothesis. Just a short post about this one: They believe that the center of the earth is actually a small star that produces all the elements that we need continously, so that we would never run out of carbon, oxygen, iron, etc.
I wonder if there are people here who believe in that.

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A well-written post but with some scientific errors. The warming effect of CO2 is predominately in the first 50 to 80 ppm. It is like a some sunglasses. Let's say the first pair cuts down 50 percent. Another pair doesn't take out the remaining 50 percent. It takes out half of the remaining 50. And so on and so on. Even that is inaccurate. The response of CO2 is actually logarithmic in orders of magnitude, rather than parabolic by halves.

As for land use changes, well, you have Venezuela to thank for that. They are cutting down rain forests to make room to grow corn to make ethanol so they can be independent of "oil." Also, the process of oil production in the Earth's mantle and crust is thought to be from the fossilized remains of plants and animals but that has never been proven. Carbon is carbon and it could just as easily be a process of vulcanization. I think it is within our technology and science to harvest carbon fragments and componds such as CO2 and create more oil. If all the components are still here (law of conservation of mass and energy), then we've lost nothing and merely need to reclaim it. How is burning corn any more legitimate than burning down trees for heat and cooking?

CO2 doesn't bring or hold in the heat. It feeds plants and therefore it feeds us animals that feed on plants and on animals that eat plants. As a planet warms, more CO2 is released to the atmosphere, which feeds more plants, etc. If there is a connection fo positive feedback to CO2, it is in the support of life. That is, as the planet becomes warmer, more creatures survive and these creatures exhale CO2. Also, thanks to Henry's Law (chemistry), as the oceans warm, they release CO2. CO2 concentration is a by-product of warming, not a cause of it. And the name Greenhouse Gas is a misnomer. The gases can only vary the heat exchange rate and irradiance but they cannot stop the exiting radiation or the process of convection. Even an actual greenhouse cannot stop the escape of heat through a hard barrier such as glass or plexiglass. They only slow the rate of heat exchange from inside to outside. The only other advantage of an actual greenhouse is in blocking off the wind, which helps to convect heat away.

The Earth will survive. If we ruin our food supply by burning it as fuel, we will die as a species and Nature will grow trees once again, thanks to birds and squirrels and it will grow back.

But far more creatures die in ice ages from cold, bacteria, and lack of food than in warm times of abundance and higher temperature. Your body runs a fever because heat kills bacteria. I've read of bacterial infections from Viet Nam, a veritable jungle. But I'm not hearing of rampant bacterial infections in the desert southwest.

No, I'm afraid this article is still striving to place the control of the planet in the hands of man, a rather overreaching arrogance and just not logically or experientially possible. Politics ruin the day. The Gulf Oil Spill has not reached the amount of the Exxon Valdez yet some are calling it the greatest disaster known, as justification to nationalize the oil industry. Everything becomes a reason to advance socialism.
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David, I live in Texas. My father-in-law can point to a number wells in south Texas that are sitting idle, not because it has become to difficult to get the oil. The deposits are full and often so are the storage tanks in Texas City, near Houston. No, they are locked down and idle because of the fed saying we can't process our own and must, instead, buy foreign oil, which places us at the mercy of the middle east. Hence, we get involved in wars over there to ensure the flow of oil. If we could develope our own, we could get out of the middle east to a large extent.
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Also, the price of oil is not reflective of the costs of exploration and drilling, though that does increase a small amount depending on difficulty. No, the price of oil is reflective of it being a traded commodity controlled, for now, by OPEC. Though you are well-spoken, I think that you have already reached a conclusion that leads to nationalization and more socialism and merely seek to support your ideas with the straw boss of how difficult it may or may not be to get oil. As for untapped easy wells being gone, are you aware of oil seeping from the ocean floor off the coast of California? Oil is pouring out of the ground, literally, but California does not allow drilling on its shores.

We have yet to run out of oil and we just get better at finding it.
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@ron I will only speak on a few points here:
CO2 does trap heat and the effects of this can be seen in mathematical models, it either absorbs infrared emitted from the sun or emitted from the surface, this energy is either transformed into a temperature increase, increase in the kinetic energy of the molecule or re-released as a lower energy wavelength. This emission can occur in all directions so either into space or in the direction of the surface or anywhere between. When the concentration of CO2 increases then this net of molecules able to absorb infrared becomes thicker, effectively warming up the atmosphere and the surface more. I'm not aware of any model that shows a flattening of this curve at 50-80 ppm. The models that I know that take into account only CO2, meaning no water or methane and no temperature increased release, show that while the of course the highest slope at the beginning of concentration scale is, the temperature never ceases to rise up until 100 bar and 100% CO2.
In one sense it is true, every ppm at 50ppm brings more than a ppm at 380ppm in our atmosphere, but this difference is not as large as you propagate, because the absorption re-emission of solar infrared radiation in the upper atmosphere while it does contribute to this diminishing slope, must be seen in relation to the amount of infrared and visible light being emitted by our sun. Much of this visible radiation is converted to infrared on the surface, the thicker the net the less likely that this energy will be lost into space.
Of course, you're right about CO2 being a nutrient for plants and therefore vital for all life(not all but almost all), and that higher CO2 would lead to increased growth and increased capture of CO2, but at higher temperatures this falls away as Rubisco, the CO2 capturing protein and most abundant protein on the planet, has evolved for current/past temperatures, higher temperatures lead to less capture of CO2, I know you might be thinking of jungles then, but the difference being in jungles the plants have the water to cool themselves. Warming won't necessarily bring the necessary increase in water to effectively cool the plants at the new temperatures.
Alittle note to the Gulf spill, the last undersea boring island disaster was the largest in history, it was back in the seventies, I think it was spilling less than the BP rig for a year or more before they could shut it off, you can still find oil on the beaches of Cancun. I mean you have good intentions, but you seem to be discussing things I never touched on. Sorry if I don't respond to them.
If California doesn't allow drilling of the coast then I don't know what all those platforms are doing there, and drilling undersea is anything but easy, it's not like in Pa. or Tx. where you used to be able to get oil out of the ground with a shovel.
That with idle wells in Texas is not true, it's the costs of running the electric motors on the pumps that makes the oil more expensive than the cost of buying oil on the open market that's why they are idle, and for no other reason. The U.S. used to be the largest producer of oil world-wide because of Texas, but then the oil stopped coming out of the ground with pressure and needed to be pushed out.
Cost of a barrel an oil exploration go hand in hand, while the U.S. might have more restrictive rules other countries do not. The largest reservoir discovered in the last couple of decades was in Russia, it's difficult to get at and the only reason they started drilling was because the price of oil went up from the 90's low of $20, oil sands deposits are huge, but because of the energy needed to extract it, they are first economical when the price hits $100 or more. There are deep reservoirs all over the world, but because of the price involved in drilling so deep and getting the oil to the surface they first economical at a certain barrel price some are $100 some about $200.
I don't mean to be mean, but why would a company or gov't. not pump oil when the price is high enough, they lose profits and taxes and other revenue. The BP rig in the Gulf, was a test rig, that they were going to close, so that they could get the allowance to from the gov't. for commercial operations, for that you have to know how big the well is, how much pressure, quality of oil and so on.
I never reached a conclusion leading to anything, but rather asked the question can private companies of their own wish without regulations build infrastructure. Do you think private companies would build highways for the sake of it if the gov't. wasn't spending money on it. Do you think the private sector would build a sewer system, water treatment, power lines without them either being required by law to due so or by the gov't taking over that part of the infrastructure.
The gov't. on local to federal levels is there to build infrastructure, if it didn't do you think there would be anything but dirt roads and if there was asphalt you'd have to pay tolls, do you think the company would care about laying sewer lines out to your house, when they earn so little from it, do you think a private company would treat the sewer instead of just pumping into the river when there weren't laws against it. The free market doesn't do infrastructure, because it isn't profitable and there is little growth.
I'm not talking about nationalizing anything or even socialism. Get my words straight.

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Denny Posted: Sat May 22 2010, 03:21PM

David,

May I suggest you take the "time" to listen to Dr. Richard Lindzen presentation..His presentation is a little over an hour...A very good listen!

Denny Posted: Sat May 22 2010, 03:21PM

David,

May I suggest you take the "time" to listen to Dr. Richard Lindzen presentation..His presentation is a little over an hour...A very good listen!





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Although, I haven't hear this "lecture" I am sure it is quite interesting, however, I don't want to spend my time listening to a man that seems to be able to predict cloud development in a warming atmosphere. Even as Mr. Lindzen often states, there is too much uncertainty, and I'm assuming he means his models as well.
Mr. Lindzen has worked on the IPCC, has supported its conclusions, had at that time simply not supported the advice to policy makers. Through the years Mr. Lindzen has become more politized, even demonstrated his willingness to run for political office. It is at this point that one could lose respect for him, as a man of science doesn't belong in politics.
I would appreciate in the future if you would make an effort to read my posts, as in your recent posts, there seems to be no reference in your links to any theme that I spoke of, except generally in the form of global warming.
Your quoting someone here that according to Wikipedia, doesn't believe that smoking causes lung cancer. This seems to be a man that just wants to be on the other side, if he's right he'll be a hero and if he's wrong he'll already be dead before he's proven to be a nut.
Don't get me wrong some of his work was really good.
It's just his assessment of others' work not related to his research field.
He's even a person that said that humans are depleting the ozone layer.
Look I don't mind you sending me a pile of links that I can respond to but I wish you would also attempt responding to my posts.

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David,

I'm just showing a response to what you've stated...I'm not asking for a "response".

No. 2, I would appreciate that you quit "running" your paragraphs together for it makes your statement harder to read...I thought you were going to do this...Look at the articles I post and you will see how you run an article and display it at a site...Plus, I appreciate the type being bigger for it makes the "older" generation easier to read and fun... ;-)

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I am not a climatologist, and if I were I cetainly would no everyone in the field. I would know who is reputable and who hypotheses and theories are believable, based on my own knowledge. There is nothing wrong with using wikipedia to look up info on people or subjest. It is democratic, peer-reviewed and upto date. If you describe Wikipedia as being alarmist, than it simply means, that you disagree with the scientific method and peer-review.
If this is the case then I see no reason to continue this discussion as your beliefs are fundamental and could be described as religious fervour.
You simple dismiss arguments and evidence that are unconfortable for you, instead of refuting it.
So either start refuting or I see no reason that I should waste my time with someone who doesn't understand the difference between religion and science.

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I am not a climatologist, and if I were I certainly would no everyone in the field.

Nor am I and I never claimed to be but what’s knowing “everyone” got to do with what you “perceive” , “know” and what you’ve “learned”. It’s obvious, IF you’ve taken the time to look at “both” sides of this “agenda” for that’s what this is, you would have a different opinion and conclusion. Hopefully an “open” mind…Even though it looks like I have concluded my decision it’s ONLY based on that Science is NOT “consensus” driven. Unfortunately the CAGW Issue IS “consensus driven”. True science is “never” closed in its theories. It’s always open to be proven “falsified” by any researcher that comes to conclude on different and verifiable results. This is not happening in Climate Science today and a large portion of them what to be on the “band wagon” of continuous research grants.

Even since WWII, the government has taken over our Science Institutions to their benefit and agenda…CAGW is a very good result from this conclusion.

I would know who is reputable and who hypotheses and theories are believable, based on my own knowledge.

Uhmm, based on YOUR knowledge. Very interesting considering you approve of Wikipedia in their “biased” consideration on “one sided science”. I showed you the articles where Connelly was not posting “both” sides of this issue...But you came here with “knowledge” that it isn’t. Hence, you’ve already made the decision that CAGW is correct in its nature and approve of “consensus” science...Just for what it’s worth, this Site’s Title is “Global Warming Hoax”.com I do not know what you believe in the meaning of the word “Hoax” but let’s look at the definition. In Webster’s New Dictionary the word Hoax states this:

“An act intended to trick or dupe; also: something accepted or established by fraud” unquote!

Need I say more??? This is what this site believes. Did you even go to the “about Global Warming Hoax” and see what’s stated by the owner? If you haven’t here it is:

Global Warming Hoax is about change. Mostly climate change. It should be obvious to anyone that objectively looks at the data that our planet's climate changes. It changes often, it changes dramatically, and it often changes very quickly. We all know that weather changes, we make jokes about it. Climate is simply weather over time. Ask any geologist or paleontologist about climate change and you're very likely to get a much different answer than what you'll get if you ask a modern computer model crazed climatologist. Anyone that studies the history of this planet laughs at the notion that what little climate change our planet has experienced in the past 100 years is unusual. In fact on a geological time scale the changes we've seen are quite uneventful, to the point of not even being noteworthy to a paleontologist.

GlobalWarmingHoax.com is here to give you climate change perspective. We aren't going to try to convince you that change isn't happening, it is. We aren't going to tell you the earth hasn't recently warmed, because it’s possible that it has. We aren't even going to tell you that 'climate change' is some vast left wing conspiracy, though we will point out the self-interests of many who preach it. We are going to show you climate change from a historical perspective, a common sense perspective, and above all the perspective of dissenting scientists that dare to research natural causes of climate change. We may even point out from time to time the benefits of a warmer planet (yes, there are many). In short, climate change is real; everything happening has happened many times before and above all there are natural explanations for it
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Yes, Natural Climate Variation does occur regularly on the hour, day, week, month, year, decade, centuries and millenniums. We are not disputing temperature has increased…but in very small increments. The issue is the “proclamation” that CO2 is the cause. Well, it isn’t. There are peer reviewed papers here at this site states this though a number of scientists. Yes, man can and does affect regional climate thru the “island heat effects” from cities and large tracks of land exposed due to farming… But I can show you a rather large list of all the proclaimed reasons CAGW is causing but you probably don’t want to see it.

There is nothing wrong with using Wikipedia to look up info on people or subjest. It is democratic, peer-reviewed and upto date. If you describe Wikipedia as being alarmist, than it simply means, that you disagree with the scientific method and peer-review.

Like I’ve stated and showed you articles where Wikipedia IS a “Biased” source in THIS field…I didn’t say others because I have, myself, used it in other fields but I carefully compare this information. Something I suspect you do not do...Yes, its peer reviewed. We have 700 peer reviewed “Realist” papers here at this site. I recommend you checking them out. Your last statement is rather “pungent” to state that I disagree with the Scientific Method. I’ll just state read the above paragraph in my response to your 2nd sentence...I’ll just make a statement by Pete Chylek. He states:

Science is the search for “truth”, the never-ending path towards finding out how things are arranged in this World so that they can work as they do. That search is “never” finished!

I could state more but I won’t since you proclaim to be proficient in Science…

If this is the case then I see no reason to continue this discussion as your beliefs are fundamental and could be described as religious fervour. You simple dismiss arguments and evidence that are unconfortable for you, instead of refuting it.

When you come here and start “talking” like you do, thru my experiences I’ve learned to be “cautious”. If you noticed how I “welcomed” you on the end of my first comment, I sensed someone who was “intelligent” and checked on your profile…uhm a Biologist. Ok, hopefully some “science” background. I was correct but just from a “different” perspective. David, you have every right to think, learn and profess what you’ve learned in your life and state such. There will be “always” someone who will refute it! You should know that…I’m just showing here another side of this so-called “fiasco” for this is what I’ve found to be thru two years of “solid” involvement.

My Specialty chosen for over thirty years is “Micro Environments”. I have learned AND applied controlled environmental Systems in residential, commercial and industrial applications. I make people FEEL good and have done it well. I’ve always kept up on Science thru most fields...I find them fascinating. And I still do with the Internet…Wish this was around when I was young. You know what they say, “Better late than Never”!

So either start refuting or I see no reason that I should waste my time with someone who doesn't understand the difference between religion and science.

Ok, since you came HERE to expose your beliefs, may I recommend that YOU propose the questions you want answered. Then either I or someone here will give you an answer. State what kind of intended answer you want! Only you can show us what you are searching for IF you are…Maybe you’ve just came here to tell us and use us for your “book” your thinking about writing. I don’t know!!! But if you don’t like our responses, then may I suggest you going to “Real Climate” where they specialize in “biased science” and “Consensus”…

I hope you have a great time trying to figure out that there IS another side to this “AGENDA”!




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David, mathematical models with arbitrary weighting that has no analog in the real world is not data. Really, man. It's not. And the model produces a "what if" projection, not a validated model of what is happening. In fact, none of the GCMs from the IPCC has turned out correct.
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