StopSmokingPot    [02/01 09:01]
I'm loving this Gore getting bashed by MSM for selling to "big oil", the MSM of course is worried about the CO2, but the real worry should be that the programing will just continue to attack drilling in the U.S. giving the middle east the edge and the profits and the jobs, etc. etc.

WCK    [11/25 10:52]
Scientists are try to figure out what fossil fuel was used by a 9,000 year old society that caused their city to end up 120 feet below sea level. lol ;-)

WCK    [11/25 10:48]
Here is the story of the 9,000 year old city found under 120 feet of water.

WCK    [11/25 10:46]
Scientists are try to figure out what fossil fuel was used by a 9,000 year old society that caused their city to end up 120 feet below sea level. lol ;-)

ron    [11/18 05:47]
And I am still learning how to edit after recording. I come from the good old days of a 5 inch reel-to-reel.

ron    [11/18 05:46]
I'm still having problems adapting the mic to record. I sing so loud on the high parts that the mic clips and produces that distortion that you hear.

ron    [11/18 05:43]
Hey WCK, I am playing a Spectrum acoustic with Ernie Ball Slinkies. The song is the theme song from the tv show "Sons of Anarchy."

WCK    [11/17 20:56]
Hi Ron you're a blast from the past. I really like the song and am thrilled to see you're pursuing your passion. What guitar are you using in the song and what kind of strings?

ron    [11/17 17:17]
I haven't checked in for a while. Still cooking on my charcoal grill, driving a gasoline engine. And still singing.

WCK    [10/21 11:42]
SSP - Here's another group across the pond working on the same process of making fossil fuels green. and others

CO2 is a green fuel not just for plants but for humans, who knew? Since current wind and solar require Rare Earth Elements that are as limited of a resource as fossil fuels that have to be mined from the Earth, this new technology of recycling CO2 into gasoline provides an inexhaustible supply of fuel without increasing CO2. See SSP you and I have been supporting green renewable energy all along.

StopSmokingPot    [10/16 08:55]
WOW Battery maker get 9 million in Taxpayer money and the investment goes bankrupt. Hows that happen? Govt. does not know how to invest in anything.

StopSmokingPot    [10/16 08:39]
WCK CO2 to gasoline! What's the name of that company? I know the Govt. would rather invest in bankrupt solar/wind. But that typical but I wouldn't mind investing in gasoline anything.

WCK    [10/10 16:41]
Fossil fuel can be a renewable energy with a net zero CO2 impact and the technology to make it so is being developed. An artificial tree that can absorb 1 ton of CO2/day can then transfer that CO2 to be combined with other chemicals to make gasoline. The cycle can be repeated indefinitely.

WCK    [08/11 08:35]
The climate disinformation ministry earlier this year tauted forest fires as more evidence of extreme weather caused by warming. As usual the public was lied to as fires this year are well below normal.

2012 (1/1/12 - 8/10/12) Fires: 39,445 Acres: 5,047,443
2011 (1/1/11 - 8/10/11) Fires: 47,187 Acres: 6,320,510
2010 (1/1/10 - 8/10/10) Fires: 41,614 Acres: 2,167,361
2009 (1/1/09 - 8/10/09) Fires: 59,990 Acres: 4,969,641
2008 (1/1/08 - 8/10/08) Fires: 56,778 Acres: 3,991,073
2007 (1/1/07 - 8/10/07) Fires: 59,258 Acres: 5,548,273
2006 (1/1/06 - 8/10/06) Fires: 74,045 Acres: 5,994,790
2005 (1/1/05 - 8/10/05) Fires: 41,003 Acres: 5,285,571
2004 (1/1/03 - 8/10/04) Fires: 50,774 Acres: 5,623,787
2003 (1/1/03 - 8/10/03) Fires: 39,467 Acres: 1,958,238



The latest satellite based global temperature fell in July and didn't even make the top 10 but in the USA we are told to just look out the window for proof of AGW. lol

WCK    [08/09 05:46]
Here is an article describing a scam in which money from carbon trading is not really reducing GHGs. It exists because the cost of producing the harmful GHG is much less than the profit from destroying the GHG. It allows companies to make 10s of millions in carbon credits by increasing the production of the harmful gas in one factory and then destroying it at their other factory. It's like paying an arsonist to put out fires and having the arsonist going out and starting more fires to put out. This reminds me of the instance where feed-in tarrifs for green energy were so high in Germany that people bought fossil fuel powered generators to run at night to shine light onto their solar panels which netted a handsom profit. Last year 800,000 German families couldn't afford heat last winter as energy costs were unaffordable.

StopSmokingPot    [08/08 15:59]
I think it's interesting that they are using sat images that are not the actual images of Greenland but use "computer generated images" to show that ice melted countrywide and visually make people think all the ice melted in 48 hours even though the ice is 2 miles thick. The amount of ice that melted nation wide was most likely less than a 16th of an inch melt.
Yes they have ramped up the disinformation they sound like the current administration. They just blurt out stuff even though they know our own eyes see different and if we question it they a attacked verbally today... but tomorrow?? It's feeling a bit Soviet.

WCK    [08/06 09:56]
SSP - The alarmists' have ramped up the disinformation campaign to frighten the ignorant and uninformed. They ignore the scientific fact that paleoclimate researchers have identified periods of past drought that lasted 200+ years in the last 1,000 years when CO2 was below 300PPM and then pretend that a few months of drought today is unprecedented and "proof" that global warming is the culprit for more extreme weather. However the actual scientific evidence that something is wrong with the current CO2 based models/theory continues to grow. Antarctic ice melt models have been found to be wrnong and now the Greenland models are being questioned for accuracy. What a shock! lol

StopSmokingPot    [08/02 19:06]
Hey guy's you've seen the sat images of Greenland purported to be take on the 8th full of ice then on the 12th with no Ice?? Just to let you know I flew over Greenland on the 14th and it was solid white what is known about this sat. imagery??

WCK    [07/16 21:10]
One of the key tenets of global warming is that warming amplification will occur in the form of increased water vapor feedback. Bryan Walsh of Time Magazine claimed that the heavy snow in D.C a few years ago was due to increased water vapor in the atmosphere caused by global warming. Of course Walsh never had data to back up his assumption and now there is 22 years of NASA "special project" data that shows that his assumption was wrong.

This is quite inconvenient as climate models base 2/3 of future warming on non-CO2 based feedbacks like water vapor. It also means that the models used by the IPCC are not robust and that it would be illogical to assume that future predictions are accurate when models are unable to replicate what the Earth is actually doing. Other problem areas for these models are aerosols, clouds and Stratospheric water vapor.

stopsmokingpot   [07/14 20:26]
At one time man new weather was Poetry not to be feared.

"Rain falls, clouds rise, rivers dry up, hailstorms sweep down; rays scorch, and impinging from every side on the earth in the middle of the world, they are broken and recoil and carry with them the moisture they have drunk up. Steam falls from on high and again returns on high. Empty winds sweep down, and then go back again with their plunder. So many living creatures draw their breath from the upper air; but the air strives in the opposite direction, and the earth pours back the breath to the sky as if to a vacuum. Thus as nature swings to and fro like a kind of sling, discord is kindled by the velocity of the world's motion."Pliny the Elder, from the Natural History, AD 77

stopsmokingpot   [07/14 20:23]
Date Line July 14 2012-Just flew back from London, Greenland pure white from head to toe, Southern Baffin Bay plenty of Ice flows from the spring & summer thaw as always. long way from not having Ice in the Arctic... You Crazy Moonbats.
Altitude 37,000 ft over Denver -60 degrees F and that's where all the Heat goes up and cooled and dispersed. HEAT-TRAPPED! No place but between you crazy ears Moonbats. Fires in Denver no, Rain, YES.

Thetruth   [07/13 16:02]
LINK--->

Thetruth   [07/13 16:02]
WCK is an Alien! Listen to what he's saying! This guys wicked smart because hes from outterspace and has a spaceship! GO GLOBALWARMING HOAX!!!

WCK    [07/13 10:25]
New tree ring reconstructions refute the IPCC/Michael Mann hockey stick.


Global reconstructions using better proxy methodology than tree rings, also provide growing evidence that the hockey stick is wrong, that there were warm/warmer periods such as the RWP and MWP and that they were global events. The writing is on the wall. The IPCC has lost all a scientific credibility and it is clear that the idea of consensus on global warming is mythology at best. I have provided numerous examples on this site over several years explaining climate model divergence from reality and honest scientists like James Lovelock can mo longer ignore evidence of climate model divergence and are recanting their consensus support. Without a .3 degreeC temperature rise in satellite readings by 2013, the models are falsified.

WCK    [07/13 09:49]
The Antarctic was covered with vegetation during the Miocene when CO2 levels were 280 PPM. Can any of you that believe in a consensus of unprecedented global warming explain this decoupling between global warming and CO2? Japanese sea level experts find that sea level was 2 meters higher than today just 4,000 years ago when CO2 levels were below 300PPM. This corraborates seperate studies in the Carribean that also provide evidence of sea level being higher by 1 to 2 meters earlier in the Holocene period.

Those that believe in a climate consensus are anti-science types who have not examined any paleoclimate data, satellite data, etc. and who let their lizard brain flight or flight fears overtake logic based on evidence. They are unable to realize their own confirmation bias but rely on it to ignore scientific evidence that challenges them.

StopSmokingPot [02/01 09:01]

I'm loving this Gore getting bashed by MSM for selling to "big oil", the MSM of course is worried about the CO2, but the real worry should be that the programing will just continue to attack drilling in the U.S. giving the middle east the edge and the profits and the jobs, etc. etc.

WCK [11/25 10:52]

Scientists are try to figure out what fossil fuel was used by a 9,000 year old society that caused their city to end up 120 feet below sea level. lol ;-)

WCK [11/25 10:48]

Here is the story of the 9,000 year old city found under 120 feet of water.

WCK [11/25 10:46]

Scientists are try to figure out what fossil fuel was used by a 9,000 year old society that caused their city to end up 120 feet below sea level. lol ;-)

ron [11/18 05:47]

And I am still learning how to edit after recording. I come from the good old days of a 5 inch reel-to-reel.

ron [11/18 05:46]

I'm still having problems adapting the mic to record. I sing so loud on the high parts that the mic clips and produces that distortion that you hear.

ron [11/18 05:43]

Hey WCK, I am playing a Spectrum acoustic with Ernie Ball Slinkies. The song is the theme song from the tv show "Sons of Anarchy."

WCK [11/17 20:56]

Hi Ron you're a blast from the past. I really like the song and am thrilled to see you're pursuing your passion. What guitar are you using in the song and what kind of strings?

ron [11/17 17:17]

I haven't checked in for a while. Still cooking on my charcoal grill, driving a gasoline engine. And still singing.

WCK [10/21 11:42]

SSP - Here's another group across the pond working on the same process of making fossil fuels green. and others CO2 is a green fuel not just for plants but for humans, who knew? Since current wind and solar require Rare Earth Elements that are as limited of a resource as fossil fuels that have to be mined from the Earth, this new technology of recycling CO2 into gasoline provides an inexhaustible supply of fuel without increasing CO2. See SSP you and I have been supporting green renewable energy all along.

StopSmokingPot [10/16 08:55]

WOW Battery maker get 9 million in Taxpayer money and the investment goes bankrupt. Hows that happen? Govt. does not know how to invest in anything.

StopSmokingPot [10/16 08:39]

WCK CO2 to gasoline! What's the name of that company? I know the Govt. would rather invest in bankrupt solar/wind. But that typical but I wouldn't mind investing in gasoline anything.

WCK [10/10 16:41]

Fossil fuel can be a renewable energy with a net zero CO2 impact and the technology to make it so is being developed. An artificial tree that can absorb 1 ton of CO2/day can then transfer that CO2 to be combined with other chemicals to make gasoline. The cycle can be repeated indefinitely.

WCK [08/11 08:35]

The climate disinformation ministry earlier this year tauted forest fires as more evidence of extreme weather caused by warming. As usual the public was lied to as fires this year are well below normal. 2012 (1/1/12 - 8/10/12) Fires: 39,445 Acres: 5,047,443 2011 (1/1/11 - 8/10/11) Fires: 47,187 Acres: 6,320,510 2010 (1/1/10 - 8/10/10) Fires: 41,614 Acres: 2,167,361 2009 (1/1/09 - 8/10/09) Fires: 59,990 Acres: 4,969,641 2008 (1/1/08 - 8/10/08) Fires: 56,778 Acres: 3,991,073 2007 (1/1/07 - 8/10/07) Fires: 59,258 Acres: 5,548,273 2006 (1/1/06 - 8/10/06) Fires: 74,045 Acres: 5,994,790 2005 (1/1/05 - 8/10/05) Fires: 41,003 Acres: 5,285,571 2004 (1/1/03 - 8/10/04) Fires: 50,774 Acres: 5,623,787 2003 (1/1/03 - 8/10/03) Fires: 39,467 Acres: 1,958,238 The latest satellite based global temperature fell in July and didn't even make the top 10 but in the USA we are told to just look out the window for proof of AGW. lol

WCK [08/09 05:46]

Here is an article describing a scam in which money from carbon trading is not really reducing GHGs. It exists because the cost of producing the harmful GHG is much less than the profit from destroying the GHG. It allows companies to make 10s of millions in carbon credits by increasing the production of the harmful gas in one factory and then destroying it at their other factory. It's like paying an arsonist to put out fires and having the arsonist going out and starting more fires to put out. This reminds me of the instance where feed-in tarrifs for green energy were so high in Germany that people bought fossil fuel powered generators to run at night to shine light onto their solar panels which netted a handsom profit. Last year 800,000 German families couldn't afford heat last winter as energy costs were unaffordable.

StopSmokingPot [08/08 15:59]

I think it's interesting that they are using sat images that are not the actual images of Greenland but use "computer generated images" to show that ice melted countrywide and visually make people think all the ice melted in 48 hours even though the ice is 2 miles thick. The amount of ice that melted nation wide was most likely less than a 16th of an inch melt. Yes they have ramped up the disinformation they sound like the current administration. They just blurt out stuff even though they know our own eyes see different and if we question it they a attacked verbally today... but tomorrow?? It's feeling a bit Soviet.

WCK [08/06 09:56]

SSP - The alarmists' have ramped up the disinformation campaign to frighten the ignorant and uninformed. They ignore the scientific fact that paleoclimate researchers have identified periods of past drought that lasted 200+ years in the last 1,000 years when CO2 was below 300PPM and then pretend that a few months of drought today is unprecedented and "proof" that global warming is the culprit for more extreme weather. However the actual scientific evidence that something is wrong with the current CO2 based models/theory continues to grow. Antarctic ice melt models have been found to be wrnong and now the Greenland models are being questioned for accuracy. What a shock! lol

StopSmokingPot [08/02 19:06]

Hey guy's you've seen the sat images of Greenland purported to be take on the 8th full of ice then on the 12th with no Ice?? Just to let you know I flew over Greenland on the 14th and it was solid white what is known about this sat. imagery??

WCK [07/16 21:10]

One of the key tenets of global warming is that warming amplification will occur in the form of increased water vapor feedback. Bryan Walsh of Time Magazine claimed that the heavy snow in D.C a few years ago was due to increased water vapor in the atmosphere caused by global warming. Of course Walsh never had data to back up his assumption and now there is 22 years of NASA "special project" data that shows that his assumption was wrong. This is quite inconvenient as climate models base 2/3 of future warming on non-CO2 based feedbacks like water vapor. It also means that the models used by the IPCC are not robust and that it would be illogical to assume that future predictions are accurate when models are unable to replicate what the Earth is actually doing. Other problem areas for these models are aerosols, clouds and Stratospheric water vapor.

stopsmokingpot [07/14 20:26]

At one time man new weather was Poetry not to be feared. "Rain falls, clouds rise, rivers dry up, hailstorms sweep down; rays scorch, and impinging from every side on the earth in the middle of the world, they are broken and recoil and carry with them the moisture they have drunk up. Steam falls from on high and again returns on high. Empty winds sweep down, and then go back again with their plunder. So many living creatures draw their breath from the upper air; but the air strives in the opposite direction, and the earth pours back the breath to the sky as if to a vacuum. Thus as nature swings to and fro like a kind of sling, discord is kindled by the velocity of the world's motion."Pliny the Elder, from the Natural History, AD 77

stopsmokingpot [07/14 20:23]

Date Line July 14 2012-Just flew back from London, Greenland pure white from head to toe, Southern Baffin Bay plenty of Ice flows from the spring & summer thaw as always. long way from not having Ice in the Arctic... You Crazy Moonbats. Altitude 37,000 ft over Denver -60 degrees F and that's where all the Heat goes up and cooled and dispersed. HEAT-TRAPPED! No place but between you crazy ears Moonbats. Fires in Denver no, Rain, YES.

Thetruth [07/13 16:02]

LINK--->

Thetruth [07/13 16:02]

WCK is an Alien! Listen to what he's saying! This guys wicked smart because hes from outterspace and has a spaceship! GO GLOBALWARMING HOAX!!!

WCK [07/13 10:25]

New tree ring reconstructions refute the IPCC/Michael Mann hockey stick. Global reconstructions using better proxy methodology than tree rings, also provide growing evidence that the hockey stick is wrong, that there were warm/warmer periods such as the RWP and MWP and that they were global events. The writing is on the wall. The IPCC has lost all a scientific credibility and it is clear that the idea of consensus on global warming is mythology at best. I have provided numerous examples on this site over several years explaining climate model divergence from reality and honest scientists like James Lovelock can mo longer ignore evidence of climate model divergence and are recanting their consensus support. Without a .3 degreeC temperature rise in satellite readings by 2013, the models are falsified.

WCK [07/13 09:49]

The Antarctic was covered with vegetation during the Miocene when CO2 levels were 280 PPM. Can any of you that believe in a consensus of unprecedented global warming explain this decoupling between global warming and CO2? Japanese sea level experts find that sea level was 2 meters higher than today just 4,000 years ago when CO2 levels were below 300PPM. This corraborates seperate studies in the Carribean that also provide evidence of sea level being higher by 1 to 2 meters earlier in the Holocene period. Those that believe in a climate consensus are anti-science types who have not examined any paleoclimate data, satellite data, etc. and who let their lizard brain flight or flight fears overtake logic based on evidence. They are unable to realize their own confirmation bias but rely on it to ignore scientific evidence that challenges them.

Anonymous [07/12 15:21]

this would all be great except for one thing. YOU GUYS ARE BELIEVING THE CORPORATE PROPAGANDA MACHINE and you can't see it !!!!! Either that, or you are on their payroll. Are you guys getting paid to spread these lies? Nothing has been debunked. The only thing that's happened in the last few years is that bigger mountains of evidence has been gathered and the evidence has only solidified the theories. Too bad science and evidence to match with you propaganda ! but, hey, if you believe it's a hoax, then you probably believe in UFO's and every other bogus conspiracy theory ... haahahahaha!

Thetruth [07/10 01:10]

UFOs are gonna save the day, don't worry about "global warming" it's all a thing of thing of the past! trust me...

stopsmokingpot [07/09 14:59]

no no no you're on acid the reefs are just fine they recovered years ago and the acid propaganda debunked

Anonymous [07/09 13:01]

--- more evidence presented by more dedicated scientists.

Science is not a religion [07/09 13:01]

you're right about one thing. this site is a total waste of time. I agree with the Realistic Independent. our best source of information comes from the scientists who are trained and study atmospheric science. everyone agrees that the enormous mountain of evidence all support the theory of global warming. the republican politicians and the Evangelical's have their heads in the sand on the issue. no big surprise there ! more and more evidence is discovered and published all the time. the amount of studies that show evidence supporting the theory are too many to be ignored. especially when compared to empty, non-fact based rhetoric of politicians.

realistic Independent [07/09 10:21]

Glen Beck

realistic Independent [07/09 10:21]

Rush Limbaugh

stopsmokingpot [07/08 14:01]

anyone up for skiing in the Pacific NW, you can get lift tickets right now. Skiing in the EU today? It can happen.

stopsmokingpot [07/08 13:59]

hate radio

stopsmokingpot [07/08 13:58]

fox news

realistic Independent [07/08 13:36]

I'm not a climatoligist, so I defer to those who know of what they speak. There are no recognized scientific communites that DON'T agree that global warming is real, and that man is a significant contributor, except the assoc of petroleum geologists...hmm. Only a manipulated fool would deny global warming at this point. So, who is manipulating these fools, and what is their motivation. Evangelics (only god can destroy the world blahblahblah), and of course that wholly owned subsidiary of corporate america, the republican party. THERE ARE NO OTHER ENTITIES ON THIS EARTH THAT DENY THE FACTS OF GLOBAL WARMING...NONE. Why? Thats easy...Money, as usual. Wake up sheeple, I know you hate AL Gore, but think of your children. Stop watching fox "news", listening to hate radio, and join the human race. This is real, grow up.

Anonymous [07/07 22:46]

@ science is not religion.. You eyes are not decieving you..there is melting...but you are wrong when you say it has never happened before.. I guess you didnt do your homework and find that the artic at one point was warm and had ZERO ice !

stopsmokingpot [07/04 14:17]

recorded history?? what's that 200 years no one cares about your millisecond of thought on the mater that will change back and forth over eons. Your lifespan in the scheme of things is about as long as a gnats. So like when where you in the arctic like in the summer?? When it's like melts dude it does this every spring. Did some whack prof. tell you it's melting faster and faster and you believed him. so with this inside info go buy stock in lifeboats. Why waste time on this site?

science is not religion [07/04 12:16]

so, how do you explain the permafrost and ice melt in the arctic. it's occurring for the first time in recorded history and it's happening on a massive scale. I've seen it with my own eyes. are my eyes part of your supposed hoax?

WCK [07/02 19:25]

The first quarter 2012 EIA CO2 emissions data is out and the USA continues to lower emissions and is now at 1990 levels. If you recall the Waxman-Markey cap and trade bill called for a 17% reduction of 2005 emissions (5.997 Gt) by 2020. The USA is on track in 2012 to reduce CO2 emissions by 15% of 2005 levels. Isn't that simply amazing? We will likely hit he Waxman Markey target of 17% by 2013. And we didn't need a carbon tax, carbon trading or any government program to achieve this reduction. Have you heard anything in the media though? Have you heard anything from Waxman or Markey?

WCK [07/02 08:12]

The latest AGU data on ice melt (my previous post) along with the Antarctic reanalysis provided by Zwally and Giovinetto, ,that estimates mass balance loss to be 13 Gt/year, means that the public was misled as to the current and future sea level rise. Based on the latest Grace data by Zwally and Giovinetto, 13 Gt/year of mass balance loss in the Antarctic translates to a sea level rise contribution of roughly 0.001417 inches/year or .1417 inches/century. Greenland mass balance was also found to be far less than modeled, and again the public was misled. Is the East Coast sea level hot spot real as is advertised? No, here is the satellite data What is happening is that the land is subsiding (sinking into the ocean) and it is falsely being reported as a rise in oceans. Again there is no agency to protect us from false claims in science.

WCK [07/02 07:43]

stopsmokingpot - Here is the actual American Geological Unions announcement on the new Antarctic study showing that mass balance loss models were all wrong. The part that upsets me the most is their comment, "The team is the first to provide direct, observational evidence that the Fimbul Ice Shelf is melting from underneath by three, equally important processes. Their results confirm a 20-year-old theory about how ice shelves melt that, until now, was too complex to be further investigated with models that had no direct observations for comparison." This is an admission that all past observations, and sea level scare mongering about Antarctic ice melt, werebased only on models that had no direct physical evidence to back up the modeled claims. It may not have been a hoax but maybe more like fraud. We have laws to prevent false advertising and false labeling but nothing to prevent false science.

stopsmokingpot [07/02 01:02]

Records are broken when the new "Heat Index" or "Real Feel" temperatures are compared to actual temps. those are scams to keep the lemmings in line. They are not the real temperature from a thermometer as in the past but a way of making people think it's hotter then in the past. I wasn't born yesterday so I've watched the slight of hands as they mad the changeover.

Caveman [07/01 08:51]

Libtard Weather...keeps breaking heat records. Doesn't it know that Global Warming is a Hoax? DC area power outages after storm could last for days

Caveman [06/28 16:00]

Exxon Mobil CEO knows that global warming is happening, and can be attributed at least in part to carbon emissions. But he thinks we'll be able to manage it: BTW, StopSmokingPot, I'm glad to know that you have stopped smoking pot. You may look forward with pleasant anticipation to steadily increasing mental acuity.

stopsmokingpot [06/26 00:32]

poor poor you. I wonder what it must like to be a life long warmer? Is it like having the worst case of the trots knowing you can't retain that stuff form much longer, knowing now that a steady diet of glass and tacks was not a good idea.

stopsmokingpot [06/25 09:29]

here's a sample of the agenda the media is part of, the world whacked out people.

stopsmokingpot [06/24 19:56]

Global warming June 2012 Style - James Lovelock- Ex climate change advocate now believes rising sea levels are not a problem, and that wind turbines are ‘useless’. Warmth is good, I never could understand why people believe that a warmer planet creates problems. There is nothing to worry about if it gets warmer buy shorts if it get colder buy JACKET! It's that simple.

Optimist [06/24 17:10]

If there was a hoax, then we would have nothing to worry about. But even if you believed, like me, that such a hoax would be impossible to pull off, you would still have nothing to worry about, because by the time we took action (if ever) it would be too late. So it would seem that, either way, no action is called for.

stopsmokingpot [06/24 16:35]

The hoax has already been PROVEN with FOIA. Mann, Hansen, East Anglican, the UN, Climate gate I, II etc. etc. and then furthered by the MSM and all others who bought into their Marxist education whom "dog whistle" agendas keep them is lockstep. They cherry pick and fudged the numbers consistently for more then 20 years Without FOIA this would still be going on. I think it was Einstein that said "a consensus of 100's is decimated by one fact. Man may control the climate in his car, but not the planet.