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Denny
20 Nov : 12:17
Oh my! You need to read Climate Audit but you need to go thru Climate Depot to get there. I've email Admin. wondering what happened to our connection to Climate Audit.


Oh my! The hackers have done
20 Nov : 12:00
now. I can't wait for the media spin on this one. this should be really good, especially for the politicos.


Denny
20 Nov : 01:18
WCK, Good night! Hey, it's just another day of "Climate Change".


Windy City Kid
20 Nov : 01:16
I got in earlier but the CRU article wasn't up yet. I have quickly scanned the 140+ responses about 5 minutes ago and most of the memos are what I have already read elsewhere. I will check back later today when more comes out. I'm afraid I'll have nightmares about flesh eating climate scientist zombies but I'm going to bed anyway.LOL Good night Denny.


Denny
20 Nov : 00:50
WCK, have you been over to CA? It's really hard to get in! I was wondering whether I was having computer problems....I got thru and I saw why!


Denny
20 Nov : 00:48
WCK, I don't know for sure but for what I've seen so far...It looks very real to me...There's really no way to change all of this info...Yes, one has to be skeptical of some possible implants but overall from what I just read...Wow!


Windy City Kid
20 Nov : 00:37
Well if these memos are the real deal, there are some real activist scumbags pretending to be climate scientists. I'm hoping they are fake as this would destroy the last shred of faith in humanity that I have.


Windy City Kid
19 Nov : 21:44
Denny and admin disregard my previous post. I see you already are aware of the situation and have a link. Thanks!


Windy City Kid
19 Nov : 21:28
Denny and or Admin. There was a smoking gun at another blog with a link to over 1,000 memos implicating HadCRUT and others in a cabal to supress climate data. The link was removed for fear of legal reprise as it is suspected that the HadCrut computers had been hacked into. Is there any other news or has anyone made copies of the memos.


ron
19 Nov : 05:17
Usually, the stock retort was that AGW skeptics were funded by "big oil". When it turns out that we aren't, then we're not "well organized." Well, science doesn't hinge on whether we have a secret handshake or a patch for our jacket. Science is simply there. You're statement implies that AGW believers are organized and that somehow makes you more right. Why? Because you are organized and have rehearsed rhetoric? I'm still waiting on a scientific debate.


ron
19 Nov : 04:51
And yeah, I know more science than the president, which is not saying a lot, and I can recite it without a tele-prompter. And a scientific fact is valid regardless of what party you vote for. The government doesn't decide what science is.


ron
19 Nov : 04:49
Hmmm, you should listen to how political and unscientific you sound. So, you think scientific validity is based on "credibility" based on where they have the chatbox? Or that skeptics don't have an "organised" opposition and you do, I suppose? Not once in you reply did you even rely on science. Instead, your points are made with political terms. Science is science, whether it is politically popular or not. We don't define a science by voting on it or how well we "package it" to the voting electorate.


Hmmm
19 Nov : 04:28
If I were you, and if I wanted my site to have any credibility, I would remove this chat section from the front page as it reduces your valid scientific arguments to a lot of chitchat between disaffected youths with nothing better to do than sit on the internet all day. Unless this is that kind of site, I would hide this section. The president comes here to see what you are up to you say? I bet he is laughing also, since he certainly doesn't have top worry about any organised opposition.


Denny
18 Nov : 20:20
Anonymous, we have 450 papers in the "Latest Forum Post Section" on this site!

Do you have anything more specific???


Anonymous
18 Nov : 20:02
hi im doing a research paper on facts that say global warming is a hoax...any ideas?


ron
18 Nov : 05:01
I read it. Even though some may poop on the algebra, the principle is the same as what I have been saying. CO2 cannot have the conscious ability to direct its re-emission only toward the ground. It will happen in all directions. So, heat radiates away like it always has, maybe more effciently, Maybe just the same, regardless. And CO2, like any gas, transfers its to any cooler gas or area or substance as soon as it encounters it. Basic physics. It's why your air conditioner works. And that's why I say that CO2 can't hold in anything. It merely changes slightly the heat exchange rate, and that is only at 2.5 and 15.7 microns.



Denny
17 Nov : 21:06
ron, have you seen this paper yet?




Denny
17 Nov : 20:50
ron, yea, all we get here is one sentence remarks from the Alarmists!
Except, I have noticed that more People requesting info on AGW from our site....which is good! Mostly students so they claim...


ron
17 Nov : 19:41
And, as I have predicted here and on other blogs and chats, not one AGW alarmist can answer my challenge other than repeating the catechism of St. Gore, as was evidenced by the few here that at least came up with something in the name header. They simply reiterated. Not one could explain how they expect CO2 to re-emit it's IR at 2.5 and 15.7 microns (and any stratospheric cooling is at 6.5 microns, which is water vapor) only at the surface at the planet. To be fair, it can't. No gas can do that. But I was willing to see if any one would be as silly as Akers was in his debate with Piers Corbyn, when he was about to say that it was silly that plants needed CO2, when the host cut it short. But no takers, so far. ho hum ...


ron
17 Nov : 19:34
Thanks, Denny. I saw Lord Monckton's mathematical gauntlet, which states even more clearly what the article was stating, which is what I have been saying all along. First, the earth is not a closed system. The atmosphere, with varying layers of density, is not a closed system. But even if it were, like a framed and enclosed hothouse, it would still radiate heat away at a certain temperature that establishes equilibrium between inside and outside. However, our atmosphere, containing no such hard metal layer, convects more rapidly and easily. Prof is shown by Prof. Lindzen.


Denny
17 Nov : 17:48
ron, very interesting article! Monckton even posted there with a question!! That site is covered by a lot of people!


Denny
17 Nov : 17:23
ron, check out the latest post on WUWT. Willis Eschenbach is giving His view on the "Greenhouse Effect".




Denny
17 Nov : 17:12
Anonymous person who fails at, could you more explicit? This Site has it all! Just gotta know where to look! If you need help, let Us know..or go to the "Main Menu" and click on "Videos, Forums, Newsfeeds, Links, etc.. Plenty of info there plus we now have 450 Peer Reviewed Papers posted. Any subject cover there in AGW Realist arsenal.


Denny
17 Nov : 17:05
DonnieRonnie, here's a start with Prof. Lindzen:



Next is Dr. Spencer:

Both of these denouce CO2 causing AGW! Let Us know if you need more help! Thanks for stoping by!. Oh, one more thing.,. If you go to the "Latest Forum Posts" section in the middle of this site, click on the 450 Peer Reviewed Papers for Sceptics. It's broke down into 3 parts. It covers numerous subjects!


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It depends. If her teacher has been brainwashed and she wants to make an A she should just make up facts and figures showing how man is evil and wants to melt all the ice, kill all the polar bears, flood all the coastal cities, starve people in poor countries and cause endless hurricanes and droughts. If her teacher wants the truth send your sister here.


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Arctic Ice Concentration for May 1980 and May 2008
Admin, Friday 13 June 2008 - 09:44:40 // comment: 65 //     email to someone printer friendly   //     Font Size - Increase / Decrease / Reset

Satellites first started taking measurements of sea ice in 1979-1980. After 28 years of warming Arctic sea today is where it was when measurements started. Will we see news photos of Polar Bears frozen to the ice?

Where is the media now that the Arctic ice concentration is at the same concentration as when measurements began 28 years ago? How many years of normal ice conditions will it take before they admit the Polar Bear isn't threatened? The coverage of both Arctic and Antarctic ice has been very one sided.

Arctic Ice Concentration for May 1980 and May 2008 (See Important Update below)


From the National Snow and Ice Data Center, University of Colorado


Note that the total is 10.9 million square kilometers for both years. All the while CO2 levels have gone up.

At the other side of the planet the Antarctic is still experiencing record ice. Since 1980 total ice concentration is up 35% and ice extent is up 21%.


From the National Snow and Ice Data Center, University of Colorado


Where is the media on this? If the Antarctic ice was down 35% it would be headline news for weeks and Congress would probably have passed the cap and trade legislation. But the popular news media is no where to be found on this. We're not even hearing how happy the Polar Bears are or whether we're getting a good bunch of bear cubs out of it. Could be that good news is never welcome news to the those wishing to use this issue for their own political agenda?

Notes:

Update:
We received the following information from a Research Scientist at the National Snow and Ice Data Center. It makes sense and we're including here in the interest of accuracy. This only affects the Arctic sea ice numbers:
"I just became aware of your June 13 post on the May Arctic sea ice. Please be aware that you've made an important error in your interpretation of the numbers that invalidates your conclusion. The concentration/area numbers are not consistent over the time period due to differences in satellite coverage.

You should only use sea ice extent for comparison between years because that is consistent over the time period. May 1980 extent was 14.0 million sq km, while May 2008 was only 13.2 million sq km."

Using the Ice extent numbers means that there was a 6% drop in Arctic sea ice since 1980. As this scientist has also pointed out this ice is "new" ice that is likely to melt quicker than in years past. We'll grant them that but a "record" ice loss that only extends back 28 years is no record. They have no historic data prior to that other than sporadic ship measurements, nothing older than 150 years. It is very likely that the Arctic sea ice has completely melted before. Of course Antarctic ice is still experiencing record growth.


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Arctic Ice Concentration for May 1980 and May 2008joe 100 |20 Jun : 13:03
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Media is now reduced to complaining that this is "new ice," not as good as "old ice."

Re: Arctic Ice Concentration for May 1980 and May 2008Dan |11 Jul : 11:45
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Sell that fear...buy legislation based upon junk science...keep teaching self-esteem versus critical thinking

Re: Arctic Ice Concentration for May 1980 and May 2008Tom |06 Aug : 19:03
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New ice was created during the most recent year and is very thin and thus more susceptable to melting during the following summer. Multi-year ice is generally much thicker and thus more resistant to melting.

Even is all of the Artic ise were to melt this summer, we would have nearly the same area of ice (+/-) next May because (global warming or not), the Artic will continue to freeze each winter. The problem is that the ice that forms in previously open water areas will be new ice that is very thin and will probably melt before the end of July of the following year.

That is why comparing May ice extent, or any winter month ice extent is misleading. What is telling, is the area of ice that exists at the end of summer. Is the end of summer ice extent increasing or decreasing?

Re: Arctic Ice Concentration for May 1980 and May 2008webgames |10 Oct : 15:20
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The bottom line The warming of the earth was caused by the sun. Now that it is very quiet where is the temperature going.
1000 games - truck games

Arctic Ice Concentration for May 1980 and May 2008Anonymous |23 Jun : 09:14
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"now that the Arctic ice concentration is at the same thickness as when measurements began 28 years ago" - Actually, when you compare both sea ice thickness maps for the Arctic you can see that there is a lot more thinner ice in 2008 than in 1980, not to mention less sea ice extent overall. Maybe you should reconsider this arguement, as it's not very strong. Especially if you actually look at the National Snow and Ice Data Center website, which states: "Arctic sea ice extent for May stood at 13.18 million square kilometers (5.09 million square miles), which is 0.28 million square kilometers (0.11 million square miles) greater than May 2007, but is still 0.42 million square kilometers (0.16 million square miles) less than the 1979 to 2000 average for the month." You're nitpicking to save your arguement (against loss of Acrtic sea ice) by just comparing one recent month to one in the past. With natural variability your going to get highs and lows.

Re: Arctic Ice Concentration for May 1980 and May 2008danfinrud |24 Jun : 10:22
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I find it interesting that after decades of Global warming that the total area did not decrease dramatically. It has been shown often that some areas have lost ice yet others have gained in volume.
It would be interesting to look at the area each year listed. and see if there is a correlation between CO2 and Ice area.
The bottom line The warming of the earth was caused by the sun. Now that it is very quiet where is the temperature going. It is going down. We are looking at some of the passes having snow in our area all summer. Abnormally cool weather. OF course the cold imuse be due to CO2 right. I love all the problems in the world blamed on Global warming. I have a hard time seeing anything but a hoax that CO2 is responsible

Re: Arctic Ice Concentration for May 1980 and May 2008Anonymous |02 Jul : 11:51
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"The bottom line The warming of the earth was caused by the sun."
That is a vaild theory. if it wasn't misinformed and wrong. WOW! that is so wrong! I want you to google solar cycle, and look it up at any website of your choice. We are in a solar minimum for the past 3 or 4 years now. The solar iridescence has been diminishing for the past decade. If it was really the sun, we should be seeing a drastic cooling.

Re: Arctic Ice Concentration for May 1980 and May 2008Anonymous |03 Jul : 16:20
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Maybe that's why the temperature didn't rise since 1998????

Re: Arctic Ice Concentration for May 1980 and May 2008Anonymous |08 Jul : 03:20
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the Ice caps on the pole of MARS have been receding too

Re: Arctic Ice Concentration for May 1980 and May 2008rpeter5537 |09 Jul : 02:42
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Starting next year Martians will be using unleaded gasoline.

Re: Arctic Ice Concentration for May 1980 and May 2008Anonymous |14 Jul : 07:01
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And since they will be drilling their own oil they will only pay .49 cents per gallon. Drill Here. Drill Now. Pay Less.

Re: Arctic Ice Concentration for May 1980 and May 2008guest |08 Jul : 06:54
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actually we have been in a cooling cycle, thanks for answering the obvious. pssst just so you know, there are tons of data that shows the solar output when it increase and decreases is tracked with the global temps........of all the planets.

Re: Arctic Ice Concentration for May 1980 and May 2008Anonymous |08 Jul : 07:10
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And if you would have taken your own advice and done a little research, you would know that the 11 year cycle to which you are referring has little to no effect on the Earth's climate.

Maybe you should read a little more before condescending to others.

Re: Arctic Ice Concentration for May 1980 and May 2008Anonymous |08 Jul : 07:38
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(amused look) If that isn't the pot calling the kettle black. You also, should follow your advice and read up on the effect of the Solar Cycle.
Check the SOHO satellite site, and look at the sun.. NO SUNSPOTS. And the solar min cycle as supposed to have ended MONTHS ago. But it hasn't. no sunspots = lower magnetic field from the sun. That allows more cosmic rays to hit the earth. Cosmic rays cause cloud formation. Which reflects sunlight away, which reduces global temp.

Re: Arctic Ice Concentration for May 1980 and May 2008Anonymous |08 Jul : 14:16
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But Clouds also insulate the planet by keeping surface heat from radiating out into space... The net effect depends on how thick, wide, and at what altitude the clouds are... This is where the game gets interesting... Are they insulating or reflecting heat?

Re: Arctic Ice Concentration for May 1980 and May 2008guest |09 Jul : 00:36
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Clouds reflect shorter wave radiation (like visible light) and trap longer wave infrared radiation. Wien's Law and Stefan/Boltzmann's laws apply.

Re: Arctic Ice Concentration for May 1980 and May 2008Anonymous |08 Jul : 21:33
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We are seeing cooling. And exactly what temperature is the Earth supposed to be, anyway? Does anyone know the ideal temperature of the Earth? Is it too hot now? Or too cold? Man wishes he could be responsible for so called Global Warming...

Re: Arctic Ice Concentration for May 1980 and May 2008guest |16 Jul : 15:04
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Antarctica ice extent has grown strongly over the years since 1980 and according to NSIDC info (see their many graphs), to date the overall ice, N plus S appears to be increasing. The sun and CO2 surely affect both ends of the Globe. If there is such a correlation with CO2, why would there ever be such a reversal in weather as we had in our very cold northern winter and the 2007 winter in the S. Hemisphere (it snowed in Johannesburg and Capetown S.Afr in July 2007 for the first time in a lifetime and unseasonably cool weather was experienced in Australia, Nz and Argentina).

Re: Arctic Ice Concentration for May 1980 and May 2008byguru |15 Sep : 15:45
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its an awesome myth buster

Re: Arctic Ice Concentration for May 1980 and May 2008byguru |15 Sep : 15:48
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this is the site <a href="http://www.versusview.com/globalWarmingMyth.html">global warming myth buster</a>

Arctic Ice Concentration for May 1980 and May 2008Taco bob |27 Jun : 06:30
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I disagree...there is global warming, we need global warming, it is the basis for our new tax and welfare system. This new system will allow the government to take an even higher percentage of my income and spend it on MORE GOVERNEMNT. Institutions like the United Nations is also an important part of our new society. Someone needs to take the money from the productive people of this world and give it to non-productive liberals!

Arctic Ice Concentration for May 1980 and May 2008Anonymous |27 Jun : 11:25
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There is global warming but not man made global warming. I don't think we can even change it if we wanted to. This is just a huge scam to make the ignorant people pay more money and keep us scared. It was the same deal back when I was a kid when our planet was apparently running out of water. Great way to keep kids scared and save mom and dad a few bucks on the water bill.

Arctic Ice Concentration for May 1980 and May 2008james |03 Jul : 23:51
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remember in the 80's when mr. gore was hell bent on censoring music lyrics?attacking rock and roll,mettallica?he's so slick he even got them to play his joke of a concert last year,i can't figure out who is the bigger hippocrite, gore or mettallica.

Re: Arctic Ice Concentration for May 1980 and May 2008Guest |04 Jul : 14:41
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"Remember"? What were you smoking in the eighties? That was his wife.

Re: Arctic Ice Concentration for May 1980 and May 2008Anonymous |08 Jul : 07:42
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that was his wife, but if she weren't married to a senator, who would have ever heard of "the parents resource center"? gore is a hack, and tipper is one too.
going back to global warming, i still have not found one legitimate scientific article that states humans are making the earth warmer. i have read many of the "computer models", but that is not a scientific article. so if you do see an article form a legitimate scientific journal that has all of the data stating that humans are causing global warming, please forward it on. i will bet dimes to doughnuts there is not one. i don't want to read a consensus article, i don't want something that another scientist (non climatologist) stating his take on it, and i definitely don't want a political hack telling me what is happening in science.

Arctic Ice Concentration for May 1980 and May 2008jtyne |08 Jul : 07:37
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So what is your recommendation? Ignoring the impact we have on our planet? Even if the Global Warming Crisis is a hoax, it's irresponsible to use that as an excuse to live fragrantly. Your set of evidence is as glancing of the facts as any set of data collected by the Global Warming folks. Even if Global Warming is a hoax, I am still in favor of caring for our planet.

Re: Arctic Ice Concentration for May 1980 and May 2008j |08 Jul : 08:31
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So you are in favor of directing resources away from some areas to other uses in the name of stopping assumed global warming made by man, even if it means that those most at risk will be hit the hardest? For example CORN!!!! you would rather see it diverted from food to be made into ethanol causing food prices sky rocket and causeing the poor of the world to fight that much harder to feed themselves and their families for something that might have no effect on global warming.

You are a true humanitarian.

Re: Arctic Ice Concentration for May 1980 and May 2008Anonymous |08 Jul : 13:40
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ME TOO !!!! The land fills are full. We must start living wiser, so are grandchildren will be able to breathe fresh air. Heck so we can breathe fresh air......The Rivers & Lakes are brown can't even see your feet. Even if Global Warnimg is not happening (which I believe it is) we must recycle, live wiser and think Green or else.......

Re: Arctic Ice Concentration for May 1980 and May 2008Anonymous |14 Jul : 07:49
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i NEVER EVER stated we should live with no abandon! we should try not to pollute, but this DOES NOT cause global warming! have you ever wondered why it is they want to change it to "climate change"? it is simply because they can blame cooling, warming, or just plain ole' weather on economically stable countries and take their money from taxes to distribute among teh "less fortunate"!
so anyone, where is the scientific article? anyone? bueller? bueller? yeah I though so, there is not one form a legitimate journal! just speculation!

Arctic Ice Concentration for May 1980 and May 2008Ankharan |08 Jul : 07:52
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"Your set of evidence is as glancing of the facts as any set of data collected by the Global Warming folks. Even if Global Warming is a hoax,"

Even if...

You'll never get them to admit the data is skewed, wrong, insufficient, and incorrect.

It lacks... a lot.

Fact of the matter is... in 5 =/- billion years nothing you say or do right now or the next 100 to 500 years will make a flipping difference. The planet will be a cold hard rock unless some celestial event takes place to obliterate the planet or we find some new improved way to blow it up. All the nukes in the world now or that have ever existed combined could not obliterate the planet. Kill everything on it... maybe.. but the rock would still be here.


Deal with that.

Re: Arctic Ice Concentration for May 1980 and May 2008Bill |08 Jul : 11:18
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Next go round the cockroaches can develop big brains. I understand that they are "immune" to radiation.

Arctic Ice Concentration for May 1980 and May 2008Me |08 Jul : 08:37
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Some of you folks need to wise up. Sure, we want to keep our planet clean and resourceful, but we shouldn't be lied to to make that happen. This proves we are being lied to and we should make a stand. I will make sure that from this day forward I use as many resources as I can.

Re: Arctic Ice Concentration for May 1980 and May 2008Anonymous |08 Jul : 13:31
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How do you know this is not a lie......

Arctic Ice Concentration for May 1980 and May 2008Anonymous |08 Jul : 08:37
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"Even if the Global Warming Crisis is a hoax, it's irresponsible to use that as an excuse to live fragrantly."

Even if the documents used to prove my allegation are a fraud, the allegation is true.

Maybe, but don't try to convince me with fraudulent, weak science.

And no one (normal people I know who have looked into it and found global warming alarmism to be a hoax) attacking global warming are saying live irresponsibly.

I resent being told how to live, however, by someone claiming I'm doing harm in a way that I am not.

Arctic Ice Concentration for May 1980 and May 2008Early |08 Jul : 08:45
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Did anybody out there ever study real science? When did 'consensus' become a scientific term?

Re: Arctic Ice Concentration for May 1980 and May 2008Dan |11 Jul : 12:18
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How dare you challenge the feelings of those arrogant, ignorant, self-important citizens who know better than anyone as to how everyone should live their lives? You people who rely upon data versus an agenda driven manipulation of disparate factoids really get under my skin. Why can you not accept the simple fact that the sun has little to nothing to do with life and weather upon Mother Earth?

Arctic Ice Concentration for May 1980 and May 2008Anonymous |08 Jul : 10:51
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We can debate the science vs psuedo science all day long. The bottom line is that the Romans built an empire following a few simple precepts. First and foremost was "Divide and Conquer". Think about the "who, what, where, when, why, and how" and the answer is really simple.

Arctic Ice Concentration for May 1980 and May 2008Anonymous |08 Jul : 11:04
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Some people absolutely sicken me. These damned global warming alarmists are getting on my last nerve. Who the hell do you think you are to tell someone how to live their life? The right to life means you have a right to your own life, not someone else's. You use your false "science" and made-up facts to try and legislate the lives of those who are richer and more successful than you. It's nothing more than class warfare. Someone has a nicer car than you, so you claim it's destroying the world in an effort to take it from them.

That's all the so-called environmental movement has become, an effort to control the lives of the populace, and an effort to destroy capitalism.

It's disgusting.

Re: Arctic Ice Concentration for May 1980 and May 2008Anonymous |01 Sep : 14:15
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Wow, you think that people have dreamed up some giant conspiracy just to get your car! How shallow and egotistical can you get?

Arctic Ice Concentration for May 1980 and May 2008Frank Black |08 Jul : 11:16
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Could someone tell me why I should be expected to believe someone's theory about the temperature of the earth 100 years from now if they cannot tell me whether it will be raining at this time next Saturday?

Arctic Ice Concentration for May 1980 and May 2008Cheesefrog |08 Jul : 11:26
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"Even if the Global Warming Crisis is a hoax, it's irresponsible to use that as an excuse to live fragrantly."

What's wrong with living fragrantly? It's preferrable to smelling badly.

Arctic Ice Concentration for May 1980 and May 2008guest |08 Jul : 12:21
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I cant find that data on the UofColorado website

Arctic Ice Concentration for May 1980 and May 2008Frank Black |08 Jul : 13:39
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Arctic Ice Concentration for May 1980 and May 2008Interested |08 Jul : 13:59
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Look, no one in the slums of Brazil or the deserts of Sudan give a flip about global warming. They don't have that luxury. If you try to push policies that damage economies or that diminish the standard of living for people, they will lose their concern and your movement will die. People will simply lose the luxury of caring. You can rage all you want about not having the luxury to NOT care, but community interest only trump personal interest when personal interest is mostly sated.
It doesn't help matters that global warming predictions are failing to meet reality or that the advocates resort to fixing data or to using movie footage to pad a documentary. As the lies come out they will eclipse any glimmer of truth that may be nested amidst them.
The fact of the matter is that the ice is more than they predicted it would be. It may be thin now but what about next year or ten yrs from now? Why on earth would anyone heed the alarms of people who said it wouldn't be there at all? Why would anyone believe someone who says that the sun's activity has no impact on our climate? That is so ridiculous that it defies any explanation beyond mindless zealotry.
As food and fuel prices rise, people will be looking for ways to not be alarmed. They will want to justify thinking a bit more selfishly. And the global warming advocates' lack of honesty and aggressive attempts to silence the skeptics will be viewed very cynically. If you people had a good argument, you killed it yourselves. Good Job.

Arctic Ice Concentration for May 1980 and May 2008Bill |08 Jul : 14:10
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OK Frank, I went to the link. Your point would be?..... That the polar bears don't have enough ice to hunt from?..... That the pretty pink is better than the pretty blue?....

Just exactly how much sea ice is enough?....

I have an idea! Why can't we jump on the global bandwagon and do an ice based cap and trade scheme? You know we'll get the UN to buy ice credits from the penguins and sell them to the polar bears! After all, Frank, according to YOUR link the South pole has way more ice now than it did in 1980. Every good democratic, environmentalist, tree hugger knows that cap and trade will equalize everyones "carbon footprint". Why not ice too?

Arctic Ice Concentration for May 1980 and May 2008anonymous |08 Jul : 14:31
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First of all, you should get your science straight. The statement:
"Where is the media now that the Arctic ice concentration is at the same thickness as when measurements began 28 years ago?"
is ridiculous. The maps are showing concentration, but where do you get thickness out of concentration. These are 2 completely separate things. May 2008 might have seen some growth compared to the last several May's but it is much thinner, first year ice since Sept 2007 was a record low sea ice extent. This 1st year ice has replaced multi-year ice that used to be there, and will melt out much quicker. We are already seeing substantial decreases in the extent now, and this September might come very close to, if not break last year's extreme minimum that caught everyone off guard. May is not a very good month to do comparisons, as it is right when the summer melt season is starting, so any growth during the winter, even if it is thin ice will be seen as extent. Try looking at September ice each year to see the real story of Arctic ice decline.
As for Antarctica, it is being controlled more by a climatic circulation pattern right now than any warming, so that is why there is more sea ice. Winds are favorable for growth there now.

Arctic Ice Concentration for May 1980 and May 2008Anonymous |08 Jul : 14:37
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Um, since when does a one year fluctuation in Arctic sea ice mean much when we're talking about underlying climate trends over years, decades, and centuries? Even just last year, the minimum summer coverage was at a record low, and the newly formed ice from this year's cool winter (probably contributed to by the now waning la nina) was actually quite thin. And what about the ice sheets on land? At one point Antarctica was gaining some now pack (related to moisture availability there) but at last report both it and Greenland were still losing mass, along with most other glaciers on the planet.


Arctic Ice Concentration for May 1980 and May 2008Lancelot |08 Jul : 15:30
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Its usually quite impossible to agrue with believers in man-made global warming. Its a religion and one of the definitions of a religion is belief without proof. You believe so bad it has to be true. Actually, even if the ice is melting has nothing to do with proof that its the cause of man. Warming believers have taken the agruement to the place that if they can prove or at least show the earth is warming then it has to therefore be man's fault.

Re: Arctic Ice Concentration for May 1980 and May 2008Stump |15 Dec : 08:22
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It really galls me that some people actually have the audacity to think that "man", has the power to affect global climate change. Man does not have the power to destroy the planet, only himself. I have read that the earth REGULARLY changes its poles, that the evidence of a still molten cored planet whose crust is a mere 35 miles thick, is continually striving to meet a stable and spherical shape. This means that the earth has become egg-shaped and now is beginning to collapse and bulge out in a different area. This causes the earth to shift on its axis, causes tectonic plate shift which accounts for earthquakes, and changes in the temperature of the oceans and even the coriolis effect. Look at how a globule of water in a vacuum reacts!! Evidence I have read indicates that this phenomenon occurs approximately every 10-15,000 years. I'm QUITE positive that the earth will be here long after we have all become vague memories!!!

Arctic Ice Concentration for May 1980 and May 2008Anonymous |08 Jul : 16:03
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There's a very real change there will be no ice this summer in the arctic ocean. I believe this would be the first time in recorded history. It's a one sided story because no credible scientific institutions are taking your stance.

Re: Arctic Ice Concentration for May 1980 and May 2008eveable |17 Aug : 21:43
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The North Weat passage was open for shipping in 1945 and in 1903 when Amundsen passed through on a sailing ship.

Arctic Ice Concentration for May 1980 and May 2008Lancelot |08 Jul : 16:29
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Anonymous, its possible in the summer there will be no ice in the Arctic but what does this prove. At one time the wind blew much of the ice elsewhere and there is growing proof of a volcano under the arctic. Besides Antartica has been getting cooler and growing overall for over 30 years. But even this isn't proof of man-made global warming. When you realize CO2 effect on warming is logrithmic its affect is less and less. Also CO2 has been much higher in the past and always trails temperature increases and not leading them as the Goracle would have us beleive. As for your claim that no credible institution is taking our stand, what about the 32,000 scientists that signed the Oregon Petition?

Arctic Ice Concentration for May 1980 and May 2008Dave M. |08 Jul : 16:56
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I find it very shortsighted of the posters here who say that the ice is thinner, so size doesn't matter. As anyone knows, the ice should get smaller AND thinner at the same time! Take a look at an ice cube taken from your freezer and watch it. If the ice cap at the Arctic has gotten thinner, it must have also gotten smaller! Yes/No?

Arctic Ice Concentration for May 1980 and May 2008Anonymous |08 Jul : 23:52
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The southern hemisphere just had one of the coldest, longest winters ever recorded. Places that never had snow or freezing temps. in recorded history got them. Then, in Siberia, last winter, the Russian government saw fit to advise the people on how to survive the extreme cold. The Canadians were absolutely sick of snow. My fuel bills were astronomical. I wish we actually HAD any global warming at all. lol.
Al Gore isn't mistaken. He's lying.

Arctic Ice Concentration for May 1980 and May 2008climate scientist |09 Jul : 16:58
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There is an error in the interpretation of this data for the Arctic. Look at the region around the North Pole. There is a circular area in dark gray. This is a region where the satellite sensor doesn't collect data. Note the size of the circular area is much larger in the 1980 image than in the 2008 image. These circular areas are not included in the "total area" values. That is why 1980 looks to be the same as 2008. In reality, there was much more ice in May 1980 than this past May.

Arctic Ice Concentration for May 1980 and May 2008everybodystheexpert |11 Jul : 13:35
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Ladies and gentelman, please understand that Mother Earth is experiencing nothing more than a bad case of the fleas - us humans. Were nowhere close to putting into the atmosphere the thousands of tons of toxic fumes every few years and Mother Earth cleans that up pretty well also. Let Mother Earth be a Mother and take care of us fleas!

Arctic Ice Concentration for May 1980 and May 2008everybodystheexpert |11 Jul : 13:39
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Oops - I missed adding the word "Volcano's" to my example. I've been drinkin. Doesnt that make sense? Man didnt create volcanos and they spill tons of toxic fumes into the atmosphere! This is Mother Natures way of relieving herself!

Arctic Ice Concentration for May 1980 and May 2008manstag |11 Jul : 17:46
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It doesn't matter about global warming. the world is overpopulated! We need to reduce the total population withourt a major war or genocide. It
is simple math, too many people for the limited resources that we have. Cut back on the people and you cut back on pollution, global warming, and the oil shortages and food shortages will go away. But of course there is global warmlng, at least there is in NC where I live and where I grew up. I remember the frozen creeks and rivers, the hard winters. We seldom get snow now in this part of NC. So let the global experts lie all they want to, the truth is right before your own eyes. Just look back in history for about the last fifty years and you will see it revealed. The Great Time Hawk In The Sky does not lie! Have as nice day guys.

Arctic Ice Concentration for May 1980 and May 2008Jen |11 Jul : 21:06
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The undersea volcanoes under the Arctic (and the rest of the world)have more to do with the global warming than man will ever have.

I don't buy the "scientist" line that the volcanoes under the Arctic have not increased the waters temp and acidity. At 2,100 degrees F, major eruptions under the Arctic Sea...spewing up and covering vast areas of the sea bed...it had some effect on the water and the overhead ice. These happened in 1999 and possibly later, with the added oozing of lava ....it ain't manmade.

Until Gore, the UN, liberal Dems, environmentalists, and everyone else who has a monentary gain to garner from this backs out....facts are given, no money is made off of changes to our economy...the global warming (conviently changed to Climate Change now that the Earth is cooling) is nothing more than a money making scheme.

Arctic Ice Concentration for May 1980 and May 2008Anon |12 Jul : 14:44
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Don't you wish Al Gore would go away forever? He is a nitwit as proven by this article.

Arctic Ice Concentration for May 1980 and May 2008Anonymous |14 Jul : 10:39
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Thank God for global warming! It's fact that glaciers have been receding....for 18,000 years! At many points, I'd ventrue to say, faster than now.

It's probably about time for the next ice age for this planet....so I say spew CO2 into the air and try to delay it as long as possible!!!

Arctic Ice Concentration for May 1980 and May 2008Anonymous |04 Sep : 06:00
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There is a 50-kilometer piece of ice that came of in AUGUST. By the way, the most affected is Antarctic, not the Arctic.... For now.

Arctic Ice Concentration for May 1980 and May 2008Evlen |29 Sep : 09:34
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Even with the suns solar cycle the fact of which that the antarctic is expanding in size as an object shows that there is still a freezing anommally as compared to just green house gases. If you look at water temps in that area if you go down 2000 ft the water is still freezing all round.

Arctic Ice Concentration for May 1980 and May 2008Anonymous |27 Jan : 21:49
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will it cool down if we all use our ice makers, and throw the ice in the ocean?

Arctic Ice Concentration for May 1980 and May 2008Mel |18 Feb : 14:25
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Do you know what the biggest greenhouse gas is? Not CO2 but H2O. That's right, water vapor. But no one wants to admit that. That would mean global warming is out of our control. Besides, even if it were in our control... we're still part of nature, so it's natural. and the glaciers were receding, but actually, a few have come back. It's their natural cycle to recede when they hit water, and after a few years, say any where from fifty to a couple thousand, they come back. It's like sticking a toe in a cold pool. If at first you don't succeed... the diffrence being it's alot harder for them to succeed

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