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»Global Warming’s Blue Dress Moment? The CRU EMail Hack Scandal
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»Ocean Acidification and the Sagittal Otoliths of Marine Fish
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»Africa's Vegetative Future in a CO2-Enriched and Warmer World
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»Bummer. I Didn’t Make the List
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»Lindzen & Choi
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»Not Finding Any, Gore Airbrushes Hurricanes For His New Book
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Denny
20 Nov : 12:17
Oh my! You need to read Climate Audit but you need to go thru Climate Depot to get there. I've email Admin. wondering what happened to our connection to Climate Audit.


Oh my! The hackers have done
20 Nov : 12:00
now. I can't wait for the media spin on this one. this should be really good, especially for the politicos.


Denny
20 Nov : 01:18
WCK, Good night! Hey, it's just another day of "Climate Change".


Windy City Kid
20 Nov : 01:16
I got in earlier but the CRU article wasn't up yet. I have quickly scanned the 140+ responses about 5 minutes ago and most of the memos are what I have already read elsewhere. I will check back later today when more comes out. I'm afraid I'll have nightmares about flesh eating climate scientist zombies but I'm going to bed anyway.LOL Good night Denny.


Denny
20 Nov : 00:50
WCK, have you been over to CA? It's really hard to get in! I was wondering whether I was having computer problems....I got thru and I saw why!


Denny
20 Nov : 00:48
WCK, I don't know for sure but for what I've seen so far...It looks very real to me...There's really no way to change all of this info...Yes, one has to be skeptical of some possible implants but overall from what I just read...Wow!


Windy City Kid
20 Nov : 00:37
Well if these memos are the real deal, there are some real activist scumbags pretending to be climate scientists. I'm hoping they are fake as this would destroy the last shred of faith in humanity that I have.


Windy City Kid
19 Nov : 21:44
Denny and admin disregard my previous post. I see you already are aware of the situation and have a link. Thanks!


Windy City Kid
19 Nov : 21:28
Denny and or Admin. There was a smoking gun at another blog with a link to over 1,000 memos implicating HadCRUT and others in a cabal to supress climate data. The link was removed for fear of legal reprise as it is suspected that the HadCrut computers had been hacked into. Is there any other news or has anyone made copies of the memos.


ron
19 Nov : 05:17
Usually, the stock retort was that AGW skeptics were funded by "big oil". When it turns out that we aren't, then we're not "well organized." Well, science doesn't hinge on whether we have a secret handshake or a patch for our jacket. Science is simply there. You're statement implies that AGW believers are organized and that somehow makes you more right. Why? Because you are organized and have rehearsed rhetoric? I'm still waiting on a scientific debate.


ron
19 Nov : 04:51
And yeah, I know more science than the president, which is not saying a lot, and I can recite it without a tele-prompter. And a scientific fact is valid regardless of what party you vote for. The government doesn't decide what science is.


ron
19 Nov : 04:49
Hmmm, you should listen to how political and unscientific you sound. So, you think scientific validity is based on "credibility" based on where they have the chatbox? Or that skeptics don't have an "organised" opposition and you do, I suppose? Not once in you reply did you even rely on science. Instead, your points are made with political terms. Science is science, whether it is politically popular or not. We don't define a science by voting on it or how well we "package it" to the voting electorate.


Hmmm
19 Nov : 04:28
If I were you, and if I wanted my site to have any credibility, I would remove this chat section from the front page as it reduces your valid scientific arguments to a lot of chitchat between disaffected youths with nothing better to do than sit on the internet all day. Unless this is that kind of site, I would hide this section. The president comes here to see what you are up to you say? I bet he is laughing also, since he certainly doesn't have top worry about any organised opposition.


Denny
18 Nov : 20:20
Anonymous, we have 450 papers in the "Latest Forum Post Section" on this site!

Do you have anything more specific???


Anonymous
18 Nov : 20:02
hi im doing a research paper on facts that say global warming is a hoax...any ideas?


ron
18 Nov : 05:01
I read it. Even though some may poop on the algebra, the principle is the same as what I have been saying. CO2 cannot have the conscious ability to direct its re-emission only toward the ground. It will happen in all directions. So, heat radiates away like it always has, maybe more effciently, Maybe just the same, regardless. And CO2, like any gas, transfers its to any cooler gas or area or substance as soon as it encounters it. Basic physics. It's why your air conditioner works. And that's why I say that CO2 can't hold in anything. It merely changes slightly the heat exchange rate, and that is only at 2.5 and 15.7 microns.



Denny
17 Nov : 21:06
ron, have you seen this paper yet?




Denny
17 Nov : 20:50
ron, yea, all we get here is one sentence remarks from the Alarmists!
Except, I have noticed that more People requesting info on AGW from our site....which is good! Mostly students so they claim...


ron
17 Nov : 19:41
And, as I have predicted here and on other blogs and chats, not one AGW alarmist can answer my challenge other than repeating the catechism of St. Gore, as was evidenced by the few here that at least came up with something in the name header. They simply reiterated. Not one could explain how they expect CO2 to re-emit it's IR at 2.5 and 15.7 microns (and any stratospheric cooling is at 6.5 microns, which is water vapor) only at the surface at the planet. To be fair, it can't. No gas can do that. But I was willing to see if any one would be as silly as Akers was in his debate with Piers Corbyn, when he was about to say that it was silly that plants needed CO2, when the host cut it short. But no takers, so far. ho hum ...


ron
17 Nov : 19:34
Thanks, Denny. I saw Lord Monckton's mathematical gauntlet, which states even more clearly what the article was stating, which is what I have been saying all along. First, the earth is not a closed system. The atmosphere, with varying layers of density, is not a closed system. But even if it were, like a framed and enclosed hothouse, it would still radiate heat away at a certain temperature that establishes equilibrium between inside and outside. However, our atmosphere, containing no such hard metal layer, convects more rapidly and easily. Prof is shown by Prof. Lindzen.


Denny
17 Nov : 17:48
ron, very interesting article! Monckton even posted there with a question!! That site is covered by a lot of people!


Denny
17 Nov : 17:23
ron, check out the latest post on WUWT. Willis Eschenbach is giving His view on the "Greenhouse Effect".




Denny
17 Nov : 17:12
Anonymous person who fails at, could you more explicit? This Site has it all! Just gotta know where to look! If you need help, let Us know..or go to the "Main Menu" and click on "Videos, Forums, Newsfeeds, Links, etc.. Plenty of info there plus we now have 450 Peer Reviewed Papers posted. Any subject cover there in AGW Realist arsenal.


Denny
17 Nov : 17:05
DonnieRonnie, here's a start with Prof. Lindzen:



Next is Dr. Spencer:

Both of these denouce CO2 causing AGW! Let Us know if you need more help! Thanks for stoping by!. Oh, one more thing.,. If you go to the "Latest Forum Posts" section in the middle of this site, click on the 450 Peer Reviewed Papers for Sceptics. It's broke down into 3 parts. It covers numerous subjects!


SFM
17 Nov : 16:36
It depends. If her teacher has been brainwashed and she wants to make an A she should just make up facts and figures showing how man is evil and wants to melt all the ice, kill all the polar bears, flood all the coastal cities, starve people in poor countries and cause endless hurricanes and droughts. If her teacher wants the truth send your sister here.


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The Truth About Arctic and Greenland Ice - by Leonard Weinstein, ScD
Admin, Monday 25 May 2009 - 20:54:10 // comment: 85 //     email to someone printer friendly   //     Font Size - Increase / Decrease / Reset

In this paper, former NASA Senior Research Scientist Leonard Weinstein, ScD uses the melting of Arctic and Greenlandish ice to show how CO2 can not cause catastrophic melting in the future. In fact, both areas are well within the norm of natural variation.

One of the issues most harped upon by the media and the focus of Dr. Weinstein's analysis is the melting of the polar ice caps in relation to atmospheric CO2 content. Dr. Weinstein analyzes and deflates each claim using proven scientific data from the area and focused reasoning instead of taking it at face value from the feeding hand of the societal grapevine. He reinserts many intentionally forgotten variables and factors into the hackneyed mass ice-melting formula we are all familiar with such as the reflectivity of the snow-cover, the axial tilt of the Earth, the emissivity of water, and other melt(and hysteria)-damping factors that are often swept from the public's view.




The Truth About Arctic and Greenland Ice
Leonard Weinstein, ScD
May 21, 2009



There is an interesting story going around that Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW) is resulting in unusual melting of the polar and near polar ice caps, especially the Arctic sea ice and Greenland ice cap, and this is going to contribute to the Earth’s problems in a big way (flooding, feedback temperature increase, etc.). In order to understand the issue, a few simple facts and recent observations need to be shown. The following discussion is restricted to the Arctic and Greenland, since these are the main regions of contention. It should be noted that the Antarctic is presently cooling (and has been for several years) and sea ice extent is expanding.

We first need to examine the external energy balance for the Arctic. Due to the axial tilt of the Earth, the Arctic is in full dark about half of the year, and in partial to full Sunlight about half of the year. The maximum Sun angle at the North Pole is about 24 degrees above the horizon. This angle only occurs for a relatively short time, and smaller angles occur most of the daylight time. The maximum Solar insolation from this (due to the angle and atmospheric absorption) is about 400 W/m2. The high reflectivity of clean snow (always present on ice) results in only about 40 W/m2 being absorbed into the ice. The maximum air temperature near the surface is just a small amount above freezing, so the maximum thermal heat transfer from air to ice is generally just a few 10’s of W/m2. The ice (or snow) gray-body emissivity (about 0.9) is much higher than the low absorption (about 0.1) at the short wavelengths of Sunlight, so the reemitted long wavelength radiation is about 280 W/m2. The result is that solid ice cannot normally melt from Solar radiation plus air warming from the top, even at peak summer. The rest of the year has even less energy input, so ice is strongly cooled all year long.

The actual cause of the significant melting of summer ice has been shown to not be possible from the top. However, there is considerable summer melting. It is clear from the physics that the summer melting has to have been caused by water flowing under the ice. The water flows from lower latitudes, so has a higher temperature than the ice. If the water is warm enough it melts the ice from below. However, if the ice is cold enough and the water cool enough, this flow will freeze and add thickness of solid ice to the underside. This is the source of new solid ice. Snow on the top also adds to the thickness, but is not solid ice.

The summer melting can result in some Arctic open water. Open water can absorb much more of the Solar insolation than ice or snow, but even at the maximum summer level, absorbs only about 350 W/m2 near the pole. The water emissivity is slightly higher than ice, and radiates about 300 W/m2. These result in a maximum excess of absorption in open water of only about 50 W/m2 for a very short part of the peak of summer, and a large net cooling over the full year. Thus to claim that a temporary full melting of Arctic ice (from underneath) will keep the ice from reforming is incorrect based on Solar insolation and reasonable air temperature variations.


The following figure is show as an example of the very rapid temperature rise experienced at the Artic in recent years. This is supposed to prove the model predictions of unusual temperature rise rates are valid, and that we are heading for big problems:





The figure shows a rise rate about 0.25C per decade. This looks scary. However if we look at records back to 1880, we get a different story altogether:





This longer time scale gives about 0.09C per decade if we use the starting and stopping points. However, it is clear that a straight line fit is a ridicules choice, as the temperature actually went up and down. In fact, the highest level occurred around 1940, not the present. It is also true that the temperature has been flat for several years after 2002, and has been falling for the last 2 or so years. The largest jump in temperature occurred from 1915 to 1940. This period predated most of the recent CO2 increase, and even the AGW advocates agree this period was driven by natural forces, not CO2. This demolishes the significance of the claim of the recent rise as proving anything.


The argument for the part of the Greenland icecap that is fully on land and at reasonable altitude has an even stronger argument as to why it will not melt. There is no water to melt the ice from below, and the cooling always exceeds the warming for solid ice at reasonable altitude. Since Greenland is at lower latitude than the pole, the Solar insolation can be significantly higher. If a strong enough warmer wind blows in from the sea, the sea ice and lower altitude edge of the Greenland ice sheet may melt, and has melted many times before (why do you think it is called Greenland). Ice melting at the very edge has led to scare scenes of massive melting, but it cannot happen at the higher altitudes (where almost all of the ice volume is located) at temperature variations that are happening, or that are even projected to occur by the scare models. The following is a temperature record over the last 11,000 years made from a typical ice core from the peak of the Greenland ice cap.





The temperature variations are shown relative to the temperature during 2000. The temperature has been as much as 2C higher than at present, and the last several years have a dropping temperature. The zero line actually corresponds to –30C, so even a temperature rise of 10C or even 20C would not even start to melt the ice.

The result is a clear demonstration that the present models and scare claims are not valid, and that using a short selected time history can give a very misleading indication of longer trends.



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The Truth About Arctic and Greenland Ice - by Leonard Weinstein, ScDwhat_harm_to_be_cautious? |28 May : 17:02
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I am not a scientist and my first glimmer of climate change came in 1998 when there was a heat wave. I lived in the tropics of Qld, Australia on an island surrounded by inshore coral reefs. Over the next two years many of these inshore reefs began to bleach and crumble. Once dead, algae and sea weed took hold. What was left (particularly in the shallower waters) was quickly suffocated by the sea weed and turned into muddy slush when the sea weed forest that fed off it ran out of fuel. I watched this happen with my own eyes (over two to 4 years) and decided to try and understand why it was happening. It was not confined to any one particular beach but all of them (even the ones with no continual human occupation). I learned back then about global warming and climate change. I want a future for my children. What harm is there to TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION NOW? What harm (apart from loss of income to multi-national corporations) will become of us if we move AWAY from polluting industries and INTO a clean energy future? Whether the climate change/global warming scientists are all full of hot air, or the ones who have been gathered here are big industry paid liars, there will be NO HARM to humanity if we clean up our act now.

Re: The Truth About Arctic and Greenland Ice - by Leonard Weinstein, ScDtteed |29 May : 22:36
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Don't be a lemming. Coral reefs are like many other ecosystems. They change, fluxuate, and usually return to a former condition over time. Almost everything is cyclical. Do not fall for the overhype of the global warming crowd. Weather is cyclical like the coral reef. We go through slightly warmer periods and slightly cooler periods. What do you have against seaweed anyway-what makes coral superior?

Re: The Truth About Arctic and Greenland Ice - by Leonard Weinstein, ScDGuest |02 Jun : 05:19
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Although global warming is a hoax, the knowledge of that doesn't have to stop humans from attempting to lower pollution. Being an efficient, ecologically aware society is a good thing, but global warming isn't a valid argument as to why we should be. Species going extinct due to habitat destruction is one example of a good reason.

Re: The Truth About Arctic and Greenland Ice - by Leonard Weinstein, ScDAnonymous |03 Jun : 11:55
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Simple, we give more power to the goverment and we all have to give up things, such as money and big cars, because of something that is not real. Also if we give in to this just because it COULD be dangerous, what stops the goverment pulling the same stunt in the future once we discover Global warming isn't real.

Re: The Truth About Arctic and Greenland Ice - by Leonard Weinstein, ScDburbank |06 Jun : 02:47
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The reason we cannot use the "green technologies" to reduce our dependence on fossil fuels, are that those technologies (solar, wind, ethanol etc) are not capable of sustaining the economic engine that drives most of the world's economies. We would do better to utilize the natural resources that we have now, and implement the other technologies I mentioned above as they become more feasible. To cut off our nose to spite our face just to assuage the angst of a bunch of global warming chicken littles is foolhardy indeed. The earth can, and has taken care of itself without the help of man for eons and eons. It does not need our help now. What we all need to do is try to take care of the things we can, and quit worrying about the trying to change things we can't...like the climate.

Re: The Truth About Arctic and Greenland Ice - by Leonard Weinstein, ScDdumb |06 Sep : 02:02
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wow, you guys are total morons, i can't believe people this dumb actually exist on our planet. Are you really that cynical to believe that thousands of scientists are out to "fool" the world. You think they had a big evil scientist convention to "create" global warming and make money? The truth is, yes global warming is over hyped, but it cannot be argued that it is an issue. As a species, we are not sustainable. We have wiped out thousands of other species and continue to grow at an alarming rate. The Earth's climate is certainly shifting, and this is instantly clear when examining the shift in climate in Australia. Do the research. No one can tell me that pollution and Carbon emissions are not detrimental to our planet. If you believe they're so harmless, go lock yourself in a room and fill it with carbon dioxide and these other pollutants, it's deadly, to us and to our ecosystem. Suck it up and drive a sedan instead of an SUV, if you can't even make that sacrifice then you don't deserve to live. People like you make me sick, so repulsed by the idea of Obama as president because you're all just so racist and want to make excuse you pick on other "liberal ideals." Stop thinking that every liberal has some big conspiracy against the world to trick our children and rule the world. It's actually rather ironic, because the conservatives are usually the ones who use rhetoric to screw us over. You make me sick and I sincerely hope you all kill yourselves within the hour.

Re: The Truth About Arctic and Greenland Ice - by Leonard Weinstein, ScDDude |06 Sep : 05:24
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"Thousands of scientists" are not out to fool the world. They are, however, out to get funding for their projects. Who provides most of their funding? The answer is government. The politicians will provide the most funding to the scientists who produce evidence to support their agendas. I'll bet that if Dr. Weinstein were working for NASA, he'd be getting pressure to "cease and desist" because NASA needs funding and they won't get it if they say the Democrats are fools for hyping the anthropogenic global warming hypothesis.

There are domestic and international political aspects to perpetuating this myth. First, it promises to generate revenue for the politicians. Knowing that most Americans don't like to pay taxes, they simply go after industry and tell the people that the "evil" industries must clean up or pay. What they conveniently don't mention is that the industries will simply pass those taxes along to the consumer. Taxation without repesentation.

The international dimension is the vested interest of the Economic North in maintaining supremacy. It's okay for Northern countries to pollute to keep their economies going, but it's not okay for overpopulated rapidly developing countries like China and India to continue industrializing. Another case of hypocrisy in the administration of international law as it pertains to sovereignty.


Re: The Truth About Arctic and Greenland Ice - by Leonard Weinstein, ScDguest |13 Oct : 08:02
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Corporations are very well represented in government--more so than individual citizens. Who fills the coffers of politicians? Joe SUV? Politicians are elected by individuals, but after that they must serve the hand that feeds them. So, who's mind must be won-over or distracted? We're all being played with by larger powers who have different agendas. Don't stop reading multiple sources.

Re: The Truth About Arctic and Greenland Ice - by Leonard Weinstein, ScDbrenpd |27 Oct : 07:42
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Leave it to the liberal to start name calling when they have no facts to support their argument. Open your eyes and mind and you might actually learn something.

Re: The Truth About Arctic and Greenland Ice - by Leonard Weinstein, ScDAdelaide Doc |24 Sep : 20:35
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Hey, be careful about the use of the word moron-- it often invites the use of a mirror. The CO2 levels you describe are NOT what is happening in the world and youhave confused carbon MONoxide with carbon DIoxide just to muddy things up. Indeed, the world has seen higher temperastures and MUCH higher CO2 levels in the past and ---- the planet flourished.
The corporations that stand to make a fortune are: governments from trumped up reasons to tax, AL Gore and Bill Clinton from companies that they own or are invested in and universities that apply for grants.

The CO2 industry stands to make a killing. And, as for the uninformed Aussie on the Barrier Reef issue, let's reflect that big corporations emoploy people and pay huge amounts in taxes: punish them enough and you can forget about the hazards to humanity of AGW!!!

Re: The Truth About Arctic and Greenland Ice - by Leonard Weinstein, ScDbobbylove |02 Nov : 19:35
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I find it startling that some people are still walking around thinking that Global Warming is a myth... What would anybody get out lying about that???? I don't get it. The polar ice has been there for thousands of years and it has been shown that they are melting and quite quickly. Sea levels are going to rise and people will have to relocate... This is a problem.

Who said that CO2 levels were much higher in the past??? Where did you get your information?? Come on!

And I love that this website has a collection of scientific papers written by only one scientist. hardly reliable, especially if he has a paper highlighting the shortcomings of peer reviewing..

Please review other sources on GW.




Re: The Truth About Arctic and Greenland Ice - by Leonard Weinstein, ScDRADICAL CONSERVATIVE |22 Oct : 17:12
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SPOKEN LIKE A TRUE LIBERAL MORON. WE CONSERVATIVES HAPPEN TO BE PROUD OF THE AMERICAN WE LIVE IN. WE ARE NOT RACIST AGAINST YOU LIBERALS OR OBAMA. WE BELIEVE WHAT IS RIGHT AND WRONG. YOU PEOPLE WHEN CORNERED WITH FACTS COME OUT SWINGING LIKE A BUNCH OF [censored] BOYS THROWING ONE BAD REMARK AFTER ANOTHER. YOUR PEOPLE CAN HAVE CALIFORNIA AND NEW YORK AND HAVE YOUR NANNY STATES. THE REST OF US WANT TO LIVE LIKE REAL AMERICANS AND NOT IN A 3RD WORLD COUNTRY LIKE YOU WOULD LIKE US TO. REAL AMERICANS DONT HAVE TO APPOLOGIZE FOR BEING SUCCESSFULL AND MAKING MONEY AND LIVING GOOD. TAKE YOUR LIBERAL VIEWS TUCK THEM UNDER YOUR MARXIST ARM AND MARCH OUT OF THIS COUNTRY WITH YOUR FEARLESS LEADER AND LET THE REAL CONSERVATIVE MOVEMENT DO THE RIGHT THINGS.

Re: The Truth About Arctic and Greenland Ice - by Leonard Weinstein, ScDAnonymous |10 Nov : 12:27
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I find it quite ironic how you say"spoken like a true liberal moron" and then continue to claim you have nothing against liberals. Its also funny how you, like many americans, often relate global warming directly to the american way of life. please in the future keep your global warming comments related to global warming and not this "American Dream" or the "American Way" nonsense. This debate is about EARTH not the united states.

Re: The Truth About Arctic and Greenland Ice - by Leonard Weinstein, ScDAnonymous |27 Oct : 19:08
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first of all congratulations on playing the "race card".

Second, learn the facts. if you lock yourself in a room and "fill it" with CO2 and other pollutants of course you will die. However, we are talking about 380 parts per MILLION of CO2 in the atmosphere. That is less than half of a tenth of a percent (keep in mind that is ALL CO2. not the variation that is supposedly causing global warming).

Third, how dare you call us sick because we don't like Obama. People like you hated Bush when he was president. So sorry if you don't like it when we speak our opinion. We let you speak yours so suck it up and take it.

Re: The Truth About Arctic and Greenland Ice - by Leonard Weinstein, ScDAnonymous |06 Jun : 23:14
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the people on this site are the true lemmings. following BS propaganda blindly.

Thye believe the B.S. propaganda telling them "if we change, we will destroy the economy". it's all right wing propaganda... and they believe it. The human race has the power to solve problems and change, but these people deny the existence of the problems.

I too have see the real effects of global warming with my own eyes. I've seen the glaciers DRASTICALLY retreat more and more each year.

I couldn't agree with you more. We need to act now to save our planet. We live off of the food and fresh water that our planet provides us. Why would we want to destroy that ??

it's like shitting on your own dinner plate lol.


Re: The Truth About Arctic and Greenland Ice - by Leonard Weinstein, ScDBurbank |10 Jun : 01:08
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At least the propaganda we follow is based on scientific fact. The propaganda you follow is based on half truths, fear mongering, and hyperbole designed to decimate the economies of the industrialized world. You and others of your ilk would have us believe that humanity is standing at the edge of the climate precipice. We are not. What we are doing instead is starting to question the climate evidence that you present, and in doing so, have found it wanting.

Re: The Truth About Arctic and Greenland Ice - by Leonard Weinstein, ScDGuest |28 Jun : 16:29
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Actually just the opposite. I would say the worst fear mongering comes from the far right side. Destruction of the economy, having to drive smaller cars, giving up freedoms, having government control you, thats sounds a lot more fear mongering than anything i've heard from the left.

I laugh at your accusations that global warming isn't supported by scientific truths. Go to a respected journal (not a online source): Nature, Science, Journal of American Chemical society etc. They have HUNDREDS (if not thousands) of noble prize winning scientists supporting them. The fight against global warming has scientists too, don't get my wrong: but the numbers of pro vs against scientists is overwhelmingly towards the side that global warming does exist.

You see how this website posts his "scientific data" here at this website? Why doesn't he submit it to experts (people who have advanced physics/math/science degrees) who will follow only his numbers? It's because it's logic is bogus, he uses a few numbers from scientific literature to conjure up absurd conclusions!

At the end of the day, I would say, you, me and especially the author(s) of this website are too unread to draw reasonable conclusions of the current data (and I have a Ph.D. in chemistry). People who have spent their lives going over this data is who I will side with, reading 12-13 articles in a couple of years is like learning surgery from a "5 step guide to surgery".

Re: The Truth About Arctic and Greenland Ice - by Leonard Weinstein, ScDskerzoid |18 Jul : 22:24
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You are a good example of someone who believes that their degree gives them expertise to make judgements in other areas. for instance, there are many NobelPrize winners who are questionable in ther Knowledge of anything having to do with, lets say, economics. Does anyone claim to truly know how world econmics work? It is chaos theory, just as the weather is. There are so many variables that no prediction can be made. anyway, the Nobel prize is so politicized anymore, that many questionable awards are given. and who by? The Swedes? You ask who this author is to use this medium. Well, here's his bio and its not too shabby.
Leonard Weinstein received a B.Sc. in Physics in 1962 from Florida State University. He started work at NASA Langley Research Center in June 1962. While at Langley, Leonard obtained his Master and Doctor of Science degrees in Engineering from the George Washington University. He continued to work at NASA Langley until June 2007, ending as a Senior Research Scientist. Dr. Weinstein has had a career that is recognized for innovation. He has over 90 publications, including 11 patents. He has received numerous awards, commendations, and recognition’s for innovative experimental research, including an Exceptional Engineering Achievement Medal, an IR-100 award, the 1999 American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics (AIAA) Engineer of the year, the James Crowder Award, and over 40 other awards and recognitions for innovative experimental research. Dr. Weinstein is presently a Senior Research Fellow at the National Institute of Aerospace.

Re: The Truth About Arctic and Greenland Ice - by Leonard Weinstein, ScDAnonymous |14 Nov : 17:04
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That is what you fail to understand. they used to be respected journals. you are the one's who never questioned your professors. you just lapped it up, everything they said was the gospel. GW is a religious movement.

Re: The Truth About Arctic and Greenland Ice - by Leonard Weinstein, ScDAnonymous |17 Jun : 13:18
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For you to say you have seen the effects of global warming first hand would be like saying you saw 1/10 of 1 second of a 3 hour movie and then trying to tell someone else what the movie was about and how it ended. Do you honestly think your 100 or so years of observation is evidence of global warming. Get real! Climate is cyclical and that is a fact that no one can dispute.

Re: The Truth About Arctic and Greenland Ice - by Leonard Weinstein, ScDAnonymous |28 Jun : 09:09
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you are not getting the picture at all. People like Al Gore and sen. Reed are sitting on huge solar and wind contracts and stand to make Billions of your dollars if they can scare enough idiots into believing the bs about man made globle warming, wake up and do your own research, the facts are out there.

Re: The Truth About Arctic and Greenland Ice - by Leonard Weinstein, ScDGuest |06 Jul : 18:19
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Just one question, and I'm sure I'll be laughed at for asking this, but here it goes anyway.

What did man do about 10,000 years ago that cause the DRASTIC withdraw of the ice to end the last Ice Age?

The Earth will take care of itself, as She has always done. We are witnessing a cycle, but apparently not many can grasp that concept!

Oh, and if this is such an issue, why then is India and China not doing anything as far as changing their methods of getting energy. Here's why, because they know RIGHT NOW that technology doesn't exist to support their need of energy that comes from fossil and coal.

Oh, and you want clean energy...why does YOUR President refuse to use Nuclear energy? France (of all countries) is running on about 85%-88% of the countries energy from Nuke power plant! Come on...all of this is just for an agenda plain and simple, nothing more.

Re: The Truth About Arctic and Greenland Ice - by Leonard Weinstein, ScDbrenpd |27 Oct : 07:48
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You are assuming that the retreating ice is something that will continue. Glacial ice has been advancing and retreating for millions of years. What you observed was less than an eyeblink in geological time. You're going to base your conclusions on that? That's like observing highway traffic for 10 seconds and concluding that the current state of traffic is how traffic is 24 hours a day, every day. It's just silly and unscientific.

Re: The Truth About Arctic and Greenland Ice - by Leonard Weinstein, ScDAnonymous |17 Jun : 13:04
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I agree that we should seek to clean up our environment but don't lie to me about global warming in a effort to make me clean up my act while people make millions of dollar scaring people into submission. Focus on waste and landfills or dumpng of toxic materials into the oceans but don't lie to me about global warming, I'm not stupid, although most people are just sheep and will believe whatever you tell them.

Re: The Truth About Arctic and Greenland Ice - by Leonard Weinstein, ScDMidwest Values |13 Jul : 19:48
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Well stated! It seems like everyone gets caught up in the us versus them and complete over looks so many first hand accounts, like yours of what is happening. AND if you dare to say--who cares, lets be more responsible with God's Garden or the natural earth or whatever your persuasion--your called names by the geniuses that have all the answers! I guess the Inuit people of Shishmaref, Alaska were "lemmings" because after 400 years of living there, they decided it was too dangerous to stay in their village...read it for yourself, geniuses.

Re: The Truth About Arctic and Greenland Ice - by Leonard Weinstein, ScDskerzoid |18 Jul : 22:11
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What proof have you that the scientists gathered here are paid liars? Who are you to say so. You admit that you are no scientist, let alone a weather scientist. Do you understand that those who purport to know that the weather is warming are paid grants to support that position? They are prostituted to their theories! The news media loves disater stories because bad news sells. The socialists back this because they want a greater government, a more powerful centralized government, possibly a world government. As for the multinational corporations, who owns them?---the citizens of the world. If they fail we are all paupers. Nuclear proliferation, religious terrorism, world economic collapse, these are the real terrors. Noone truly understands the weather. It is chaos theory.

Re: The Truth About Arctic and Greenland Ice - by Leonard Weinstein, ScD0ne L Michele |29 Jul : 19:08
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I agree that taking care of our planet is a good thing but lying to us like we are little children that are too stupid to do the right thing without the scare tactics is just demeaning. Enviromentalist think that when the truth comes out we will stop recycling and start building coal plants...we are not idiots. We can take care of the planet without the lies,

Re: The Truth About Arctic and Greenland Ice - by Leonard Weinstein, ScDAnonymous |22 Oct : 21:33
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If you are going to promote the idea that man can increase the Earth's temperature, are you going to be able to cite factual (not made up by either side) information? Do you know what the true global warming issue is? Do you know where the data is from the original studies that are cited as proof that global warming exists?

Really, since you bring up the issue, the scientists behind the issue that man can make a change... where is the data? Please forgive me... where IS the data?? As someone once famous said, once, it depends what IS is. Right? I mean, don't you get it. Isn't this consistent rhetoric of the LEFT? Doesn't it fit their pattern for motivating persons like yourself who are not able to render their own conclusions?

As for me, I'm not sold on either idea totally, but to see a chart that shows as the one above does that temps have risen in the past without the possibility of man's intervention... well.... if the data is true (check the doc's bio - I believe it is) you haveta add a pebble to the right side of the scale.

If you don't agree with that, aren't you simply not using basic logic, but are using emotion?

The Truth About Arctic and Greenland Ice - by Leonard Weinstein, ScDtarunkjuyal |02 Jun : 01:13
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great article

The Truth About Arctic and Greenland Ice - by Leonard Weinstein, ScDdrew_ |02 Jun : 10:02
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The harm in taking action now would be excise tax on CO2 (cap and trade) with would be passed to the consumer. (cig taxes is an example) The tax would cause your energy cost to quadruple. This would make it increasingly difficult for middle class families to survive without the government subsidizing. In addition the job loss seen from the energy sector would likely rival that of todays 16000 a day from other failing sectors. So yes there would be devistating harm be addressing the issue and would simply be an excellent way to tax middle class families without taxing middle class families. Very simply, go read 1984 by george orwell, and open your eyes to the oppressive government you pushed for!

The Truth About Arctic and Greenland Ice - by Leonard Weinstein, ScDken |07 Jun : 23:57
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Simply don't waste money on foolishness, which is what man-made global warming is.

The Truth About Arctic and Greenland Ice - by Leonard Weinstein, ScDAnonymous |08 Jun : 20:53
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What everyone misses in all of this is that the planet is in no danger. The planet can take care of itself - has done for millions of years, and will do for countless more million years. What is in danger is our tiny insignificant little snapshot of time. The earth may or may not be warming (there is as much evidence proving this as there is proof that shares will be higher or lower tomorrow than they are today), but for man to claim responsibility for causing the earth to warm up? Get real.... Consider this: if the earth were actually cooling, even heading towards another ice age, would man be able to warm it up, to turn back the ice? I don't think so. The only inconvenient truth is that some people are getting very rich from the GW bandwagon. The smart thing is to make sensible, sustainable decisions. Our resources are limited and if we want to maintain our lifestyles, and those of our children, then we have to switch to renewable options. it makes no difference if the planet is warming or not.

The Truth About Arctic and Greenland Ice - by Leonard Weinstein, ScDbig_man |16 Jun : 16:08
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Wake! up! you have been blindsided!! by generic science! GLOBAL WARMING = MONEY! MONEY!= GREED!!=LIES!! DAH?

Re: The Truth About Arctic and Greenland Ice - by Leonard Weinstein, ScDMidwest Values |13 Jul : 19:53
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YES! people are playing games to capitalize on global warming, da, it's the American way. HOWEVER, it doesn't mean there are NOT changes happening as we speak--there are countless first hand experiences out there--not from capitalists, not from scientists, how do you ignore them?

The Truth About Arctic and Greenland Ice - by Leonard Weinstein, ScDanonymous |19 Jun : 14:54
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where was this article origionally published?

Re: The Truth About Arctic and Greenland Ice - by Leonard Weinstein, ScDAnonymous |28 Jun : 16:47
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it wasn't! thats why it's here on this crappy website, all real scientists look at this and laugh (or scratch their heads if they take it seriously)

Ph.D. Chemistry
UCLA 03'

Re: The Truth About Arctic and Greenland Ice - by Leonard Weinstein, ScDkid cool |02 Jul : 12:07
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This is why when people start arguing that global warming is a hoax, I ask them for real science, by real scientists in real peer reviewed science journals.

I would be interested in seeing anything since 2007 that contradicts the 2007 IPCC, 2008 Climate Assessment (released by the Bush Administration, or May 2009's Assessment released by the Obama Administration).

Re: The Truth About Arctic and Greenland Ice - by Leonard Weinstein, ScDskerzoid |18 Jul : 22:38
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If UCLA would ever beat USC in Football, I might not look at your comments so negatively. I'll bet a USC PHD in Chemistry wouldn't be so taken in by all of this global warming clap-trap.

Re: The Truth About Arctic and Greenland Ice - by Leonard Weinstein, ScDAnonymous |18 Sep : 11:17
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How stupid to use football as an example...

The Truth About Arctic and Greenland Ice - by Leonard Weinstein, ScDobviously |22 Jun : 05:00
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Since the climate is cyclical, then at some point it should get back to 100 [degrees] C, like it was before abiogenesis occurred. We would all be dead if that happened, by the way. Oh, and also, before abiogenesis, there were no plants to absorb all the CO2. Then, within a short time, geologically speaking (quite possibly less than 1000 years) various complex molecules (chemicals) were turned to ozone, stopping ultraviolet light and allowing more complex forms of life to grow, then releasing oxygen into the air via photosynthesis, along with TAKING THE CO2 OUT. Although at the very start, the main source of energy would probably have been chemical energy (ie said 'molecules').
Then, BANG. After most ofthe CO2 was gone, we had temperatures that were a lot warmer then the current temperature, due to more carbon being in the carbon cycle. Then the floods/etc that actually made fossil fuels occurs, and the carbon in the form of trees/dinosaurs/anything else organic that was 'buried' is removed from the carbon cycle. So the temperature goes down even further. Then, after that, after a couple of million years, humans have evolved, and we start digging it up, releasing that carbon back into the carbon cycle. Now we're going to watch the temperatures go up.
By the way, I forget the exact percentage, but the carbon in our atmosphere is something like 0.3% - pretty far gone from >50%, like it would be if there weren't any plants/other forms of life.
Also, cutting down half our rainforests doesn't hel either.

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Your math is off by a factor of 100 - the percentage of CO2 in the atmosphere is 0.03%

The reason I do not agree with The Truth About Arctic and Greenland Ice - by Leonard Weinstein, ScDAnonymous |24 Jun : 16:53
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It's a fact that ice sheet does reflect most of the solar radiation (short wavelength such as UV radiation) back into the atmosphere. The reradiated radiation is trapped inside the atmosphere. This is when greenhouse effect, a effect that no one would or should argue or doubt about, kick in. The mathematical equation list above is simple and do not demonstrate the effect of synergistic reaction. The assumption based is seemingly different from those of global warming theory. More than offen, assumption is based different on different model.
But how can anyone denie the shrinking of the ice-sheet shown by the solid satelite photo region of the polar and greenland icesheet. The thermograph of the core temperature change over the past few decades? The 1000ppm CO2 level is way before human time scale. The truth is the changing of temperature is so rapid in the past century even when you are comparing it to the events before.

In case you don't know, which you probably don't. The majority of opponent of global climate change are the non renewable energy producer and consumer. Former president George Bush is in fact less known for his environmental nonfriendly and gobal warming non-supporting policy. During his adminstration, US never join the major world effort for fighting global warming.
For the industries to fight the global warming, they have to invest trillions and trillions of money into their system. As an alternative, they employ 'scientists' to look for objective evident on the issue. Just like picking a few words out of a book to form whatever sentance you like.
The government funded, published or even related research are full of words like possibilities, likely because of its caution natur. By saying 5 %, citizens would more likely to thing of 'very less likely' instead of its actuate meaning 'Very likely' since it's supposed to happen 5 times in every 100 times (a million times daily?).
Big money? From who? To who? Researchers? Very least likely. It's much difficult to obtain 'enough' funding from government than from the industries, in an exchange that they can filter and alter the way it present.
Little of the big money would actuallty go into the pocket of researcher, especially those of independent research.
Most of the people saw those well known, rich research and ignore tons and tons of dedicate, true intelligent researcher that got so little or nothing.

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There are some great points here about being environmentally responsible. Also, in developing cleaner forms of energy. Those are definitely goals we should be setting for the future of this world. However, we should not be doing it based on the arguments of the fear mongers who purport man-made climate change. Their calls for immediate action will only bankrupt governments and put a huge financial burden on the people of this world. We need to move forward with being more sensitive to our environment but not in a knee jerk fashion. These environmental alarmist like Al Gore want immediate action because they do have a huge financial stake in all this. It is time we silence them and their rhetoric and move on in a reasonable fashion towards being more environmental responsible.

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you may be the most level headed anti global warming person on these forums. I would agree with you that the actions needs to take place gradually to prevent a economic turn down. And while it is common to say these global warming fear mongers demand "instant action" it's usually a bit far fetched.

The far lefters tend to demand instant action, and the far right tends to demand a near infinite amount of time for change. What happens? They compromise it and the bill that comes out usually has reasonable time limits for adopting their standards. Companies will complain that the time scale is too short, but they will always do this because any and all action will cost them oney! (Car companies once fought California that catalytic converters would bankrupt them..here we are 20 years later all cars with converters and most of them still around)

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it's easier to take over the world when everyone is broke and desperate. it is near

The Truth About Arctic and Greenland Ice - by Leonard Weinstein, ScDC02_and_the_"blanket_effect" |27 Jun : 04:31
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C02 makes up such a small part of our atmosphere, it is impossible that it could cause climate change. There would have to be an actual change in atmospheric pressure in order to make a "heavier blanket" around the earth to trap heat. I don't think the blanket is getting heavier. No one is claiming that the atmospheric pressure is rising, which would indicate a change in mass. You kool-aid drinkers have all been duped!

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wow great logic, you must be a scientist from a fully accredited school in Zimbabwe.

If you want you can put 10 parts per trillion of phosgene gas in the atmosphere around you, I'm sure since it's so small it probably won't do anything to you! I'll come to your funeral too.

Ph.D. Chemistry
UCLA 03'

Re: The Truth About Arctic and Greenland Ice - by Leonard Weinstein, ScDAnonymous |10 Jul : 15:16
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JUST HYDROCLORIC ACID IN YOUR LUNGS !

YOU DON'T HAVE THE MARKET CORNERED ON

INTELLECT ! YOUR SAME FAULTY LOGIC IS WHAT

HAD THE WORLD BELIVING SACHRINE CAUSED CANCER

Re: The Truth About Arctic and Greenland Ice - by Leonard Weinstein, ScDskerzoid |18 Jul : 22:33
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If UCLA had a football team that could beat USC I would think more of your argument.

The Truth About Arctic and Greenland Ice - by Leonard Weinstein, ScDLeonard_Weinstein |29 Jun : 07:12
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To Anonymous,
Please read the following two URL's and tell me how you can refute them. Don't use the claim of authority and consensus as proving anything. There are about as many real scientists that dispute the position of AGW (not GW) than agree, but many have not published on the topic because no one publishes a non problem. It was the large number of people claiming a problem that made them come out with responses. Also using misinformation by a few persons (common on both sides of the issue) does not disqualify the truth.
(Limitations on AGW)
(Disproving AGW Problem)

Re: The Truth About Arctic and Greenland Ice - by Leonard Weinstein, ScDAnonymous |29 Jun : 21:08
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"There are about as many real scientists that dispute the position of AGW (not GW) than agree, but many have not published on the topic because no one publishes a non problem."

Absurdly wrong, but you're not a scientist so you assume rather than know. Truth be told, if you have a theory that can dissuade current leading theory using sound experiments and data, you most likely will win the Nobel prize! Most of scientific breakthroughs don't come just from discoveries but rather from breaking current thinking (evidence Magellan, Plato, Watson/Crick, Miller-Urey, Aristotle, Newtoon, DARWIN) all of these scientists at one point and time went against the consensus of the time and disprove the current model and replace it with an appropriate one. And for that they were immortalized in history. If I could prove global warming false with sound logic, experiments and data, i would become an overnight billionaire and the most respected scientist.

And you're totally wrong, the number of scientists who side with global warming is about 100 to 1000 times greater than those who question it's validity. Source: )

Lol to asking me to fight a 60 page article in a forum response.

last note: Although I strongly disagree with your opinion(s) on climate change, I do think scientists in this field are needed and I hope(pray) one day one of these scientists will make a breakthrough on the topic and prove everyone wrong (including myself) that would be best for all. But until that day the scientific consensus remains that global warming is a danger to our future.

Ph.D. Chemistry
UCLA '03

Re: The Truth About Arctic and Greenland Ice - by Leonard Weinstein, ScDJeffrey |10 Jul : 14:01
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You claim to have a Ph.D. yet you cite Wikipedia?!!

Re: The Truth About Arctic and Greenland Ice - by Leonard Weinstein, ScDAnonymous |17 Jul : 02:32
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guess who summarized most of that article using those REAL references? If anything question thereferences within the wikipedia not about wikipedia itself.

Ph.D. Chemistry
UCLA '03

Re: The Truth About Arctic and Greenland Ice - by Leonard Weinstein, ScDskerzoid |18 Jul : 22:49
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I expect that kind of aggression from you. I would assume that a Cal reject would have a bit of an inferiority complex

The Truth About Arctic and Greenland Ice - by Leonard Weinstein, ScDron |07 Jul : 05:48
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You forgot Galileo, who was excommunicated for his scientific views, and vilified, made a persona non grata. Charles Darwin, to received, skepticism. FitzGerald and Lorentz were phycisists, with degrees and everything, who believed in an aether. Einstein came along and said there was no aether, based on the Michelson-Morley experiment but he used their math, anyway. Untie that knot.

And the thousands of scientists who think are in support of AGW are the listed authors and reviewers of the IPCC. If you pay attention to the words of John Cristy, original lead author of the IPCC, not only are most of the authors not directly involved in climatology, but many have withdrawn their support and have to fight the IPCC and threaten legal action to get their names taken off the "consensus."

The Truth About Arctic and Greenland Ice - by Leonard Weinstein, ScDAnonymous |15 Jul : 20:29
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Hello all. Well I'm no ph.D. Chemistry, I'm just a regular middle class working stiff. I don't pretend to know all the ways of the world. There may well be global warming. I just want someone to prove it before forcing me to hand over my hard earned money in the form of massive energy rate hikes (cap and trade). I honestly don't understand how you can have such an excellent education and still be so willing to hand over your money while the guy telling you to drink the cool-aid lives in an energy gulping mansion. The argument that always stands out in my less than Ph.D. educated mind is how do climate trends from the last hundred years prove squat when the earth is millions of years old? I guess the point i'm trying to make is how difficult it is to get people on board the global warming train with such massive holes in the argument. And by the way, when a person claims to have personally witnessed the effects of global warming, they generally get the eye roll from anyone with a decent sense of humor. Just giving you the heads up in case anyone was planning on using that in public I have to agree that global warming is easily understood when you follow the money.

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Re: The Truth About Arctic and Greenland Ice - by Leonard Weinstein, ScDAnonymous |17 Jul : 02:40
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I think a lot of skepticism on these boards come from previous blunders by scientists. And by ALL means science is not fool proof, and there will be MANY more blunders. Does that mean we should stop using it?

For every time scientist are wrong there are 5 times they are right, likewise the methods are getting better, the technology is improving. We're now able to predict better than ever before, and we will continue advancing. Again it'll never be 100%, but nothing ever is.

As to answer your question on the age of earth and how we can predict from the past 100 years and turn a blind eye to the past 9 BILLION years of earth history:
it's not fool proof, but scientists have learned that extrapolation from those period of times tend to hold the most predictability. How do they know this? they used NUMBER models (I once designed a computer program that did so myself) only few have held their truth for even the short period of time.

It's the best thing we got, we base the weather usually on previous days data, somewhat accurate method isn't it? Now imagine a REAL scientist not a meteorologist

Ph.D. Chemistry
UCLA '03

Re: The Truth About Arctic and Greenland Ice - by Leonard Weinstein, ScDskerzoid |18 Jul : 22:53
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I bet that Ventura High School has a better football team than the UCLA
Bruised Ones.

Re: The Truth About Arctic and Greenland Ice - by Leonard Weinstein, ScDskerzoid |18 Jul : 23:01
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You flash that Ph.D around pretty agressively. What don't you tell us where we can read some of YOUR work, OH GOD OF SCIENCE. What breakthroughs have you come up with since "03".

By the way, something puzzles me. Why is UCLA’s football team allowed to wear the school’s “Champions Made Here” t-shirt, since the team only has one national football championship - from 1954. Instead of this t-shirt, the football team could wear a shirt that says “Champions Made Near Here".

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OMG, enough with the football team bashing. Does that really have anything to do with the arguments? It makes me think that the people on this site are really as stupid as the people who think Obama is a terrorist. REALLY, come on and grow up already.

I remember reading a book in 3rd grade stating that by the time we were adults we would have to live in bubbles and while outside we would have to wear gas masks because of polution. Okay, so that theroy was wrong but Im pretty sure our air quality is better than in the early '80's. Im assuming this had to do with the government inforcing change in how product is made, cars are run, etc. Was that so bad?

So, whether GW is true or not whats wrong with keeping the Earth clean for our children's children?!?!!! Whats wrong with protecting the forrests so that our children's children can experience outdoor activities? Or protecting animals from going exstint? And recycling, being energy efficient, etc? Is it really that bad?

If the government is going to tax us middle class people they will find other reasons to tax us. You wouldn't want to live in a dirty house so whats the difference with trying to keep the Earth clean?!?!?!

DISCLAIMER: If what Im saying is totally off the subject I don't care. At least I have more of a point the the dumb person making football comments. Football is for beer drinking blockheads!

La Habra High '95
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Re: The Truth About Arctic and Greenland Ice - by Leonard Weinstein, ScDAnonymous |25 Jul : 18:07
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I find the approximation that scientists are right 5 times for every time they are wrong to be a bit misguided. Perhaps in the world of graduate chemistry, were many are the giants' shoulders for you to stand upon, the scientific method is insulated from the inconvenient truth that all too often, hypotheses are found to be incorrect.

While not an expert on the history of any of the scientists you have mentioned in this thread, I think that a more in depth look at the careers of those scientists would show that more often than not, these scientists (deemed successful by history) spent far more time being wrong than they did being correct (speaking in terms of a ratio of correct to incorrect hypotheses).

Furthermore, the assertion that result-driven (often to the point of financially motivated) scientific inquiry, analyzing data from the past 100 years, is sufficient to disregard the a much longer timeline (one billions of years old) because of computer models is fallacy. As an accomplished scientist, you undoubtedly know that too many variables makes for an unreliable experiment. The factors which contribute to global climates, not "weather" are undeniably huge in number and scope. To assert that present-day technology and mathematics are capable of accurately predicting long-term climate change is an altogether different animal from analyzing a trend in existing weather.

No one on either side of this debate will argue that climate change is fiction. To assert, however, that 100 years of data is sufficient grounds to disregard a timetable of cyclical climate change that spans hundreds, thousands or even millions of years is irrational. The previous analogy of seeing seconds of a 3 hour film and claiming to know the synopsis rings stunningly true here.

Your line of argumentation is a big ol' non sequitor. Should have spent a little more time in a liberal arts building on campus.

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9 billion years of earth history? I'm guessing you learned that en route to your UCLA PhDumb. Could have sworn I heard (in 2nd grade) the earths' age is closer to 4 1/2 billion years. With an education like yours, no wonder why California is in such trouble.

The Truth About Arctic and Greenland Ice - by Leonard Weinstein, ScDarber |22 Jul : 03:45
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Back in 1919 started a extraordinary winter warming. The Arctic got warmer over two decades until app. 1940. This can be establish with precision and certainty (see Part C at: . The warming period from 1919-1939 was followed by a cooling for more than three decades. Despite this facts the IPCC Assessment 2007 says: Arctic temperatures have high decadal variability, and a warm period was also observed from 1925 to 1945. (Ref:
Instead to learn from this warming period to understand the current situation thus notions are not correct and useless. Although the warming had been already discussed in the 1930s, by Scherhag, Brooks et al (http://www.arctic-warming.com/how-was-the-warming-discussed-in-the-1930s.php ) recent scientific papers have little more to say as, for example : “Natural variability is the most likely cause” (Lennart Bengtsson, Vladimir A. Semenov, Ola M. Johannessen, The Early Twentieth-Century Warming in the Arctic—A Possible Mechanism, Journal of Climate, October 2004, page 4045-4057) (see: op.cit.). Recent papers pay little attention to the fact that the warming could be observed only during the winter season when any direct influence of the sun was inexistent or low. The pay little, if any attention to the sea ice conditions. By a thorough analysis of all prevailing circumstances it is possible to identify that the conditions off the west coast of Spitsbergen has been the location that generated and sustained the Arctic warming from 1919 to 1939, due to conditions of the West Spitsbergen Current, which brings warm and saline Atlantic Water to the Arctic Ocean. (see Ch.7 at: ). Calling nowadays the early warming (1919-1939) in the Arctic as: “one of the most puzzling climate anomalies of the 20 th century”[7], (Bengtsson, op.cit) is of little help. It is possible to do better.

The Truth About Arctic and Greenland Ice - by Leonard Weinstein, ScDAnonymous |24 Jul : 05:12
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Just stating what I heard...
The Earth is in fact going through a natural cycle. Where I live in Alaska, there has be proof found that it used to be tropical.However, it's been reported that CO2 is speeding up the natural cycle. So even if we went all green, the earth would be warming anyway. I don't know what is causing it and i don't claim any side, but I do know our snow level has dropped, and tropical fish have been found in our waters. Just food for thought.

The Truth About Arctic and Greenland Ice - by Leonard Weinstein, ScDcoxanator |27 Jul : 08:13
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when the heads of the g8 state that they have agreeded to not let the earth temperture rise more than 3 degrees I then realized it was a scam. To think that man can influence the climate is the most ridiculous thing i ever heard.

The Truth About Arctic and Greenland Ice - by Leonard Weinstein, ScDstudent |28 Jul : 14:52
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Our reliance on fossil fuels will have to end regardless of their supposed connection to the idea of "global warming." They're going to run out eventually, so it would be intelligent to master certain alternatives. Everyone can agree that pollution is something we should work against, so why fight about what it does or doesn't cause? It's truly egotistical to think that the human race is solely responsible for something on this large a scale. Since when did the sun become perfect? Since when did gases that "trap" sunlight cease to reflect it? I admit that I'm no scientist, but anyone can see that there's a lot of time and energy devoted to this mysterious issue when there are other more prevalent issues to be explored. We might as well argue about when a large meteor will strike our planet, or when Yellowstone will erupt. I think that natural cataclysmic events will change our climate much more drastically than we ever could. It's sad to see so many intelligent people overlook real issues that need to be solved right now instead of over the next few centuries.

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OK, now for some real quotes and sites to visit and be awakened.

Jacques Chirac, EU environment minister, said back in 2000 : "Cap and trade is the first component of an authentic global governance".
He also admitted that the global version of cap and trade is: "About the economy and leveling the playing field for big businesses worldwide".

"Warming fears are the worst scientific scandal in history...When people come to know what the truth is, they will feel deceived by science and scientists." - UN IPCC Japanese Scientist Dr. Kiminori Itoh, an award-winning PhD environmental physical chemist

The EPA breaks the law getting "the administration ordered results" into report to Congress and Senate on Cap and Trade bill.



Rahmstorf Rejects IPCC Procedure: seeming unawareness of what the smoothing did; incorrect disclosure; unattractive properties of the triangular filter; the enhancement of "successful" prediction; opportunistic policy changes.



Source of fishy odor confirmed: Rahmstorf did change smoothing:



So much for the Science used behind the reports from the IPCC, entrepreneurs Al Gore and friends......

Maybe if Obama used the smoothing filter from Rahmstorf and applied to an economic forecast there might be a big up tick in the economy coming, somewhere down the road?



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One question, what was the average temperature of the Earth in the 1200's? Another question Why were they talking about using the Global Warming issue to bring about Global Goverment in the early 90's. Question #3 Why do 35,000 scientists dispute the global warming issue?
Question #4, Why are top scientists sometimes the head of their departments being removed from their jobs when they dispute the global warming issue? Do the research and you may find that there is more to the global warming issue than you know. Do not be a lemming. Try looking at the actual global temperatures around the world for the last ten years and not some figures that someone has hyped. Isn't it interesting that the temperatures have been going down sense 98. Please try to do your own research and try to stop believing all the hype. From one who has been following this issue from the early 90's

The Truth About Arctic and Greenland Ice - by Leonard Weinstein, ScDMk |18 Aug : 21:53
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Me as well, I am NO scientist, but from common sense and knowing history and just looking at life in general...it goes through phases. This "hot topic" of Global Warming is just absurd. I do believe we can better our ways in life and not waste so much, but I do not see how any of this is partially our fault. The sun goes through it's phases just as the earth goes thru its phases. I do know the Sun controls everything in our Universe and if the Sun is going through its changes, so will the Earth in response for survival. So, how is, for example, this "Cash for Clunkers" really going to improve our Earth and this "Global Warming"? It's more of a waste in my eyes. Some of us humans think we can control the Earth, when we can't. What we should do, is listen to our earth and go along with it. How is that so hard and why should that even cost us? Thanks for listening. Again, I am no expert, I just speak from what is common sense to me and with nature.

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Finally after reading most of these posts I found someone who mentioned the real cause of global warming. The sun is our ruler!!! Saying we humans are the cause of temperature changes on a global scale is like saying the world is flat. Well, beleive it or not, the earth is round and there is a big ball of fire that controls its temperature. When the big ball of fire dies down... the earth cools. When the big ball of fire flares up... magically the earth gets warmer. It's really not that complicated.

Now if we can just figure out how to adjust the sun...

The Truth About Arctic and Greenland Ice - by Leonard Weinstein, ScDsan_quintin |20 Aug : 09:25
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There are some pretyy stupid views here. The sceptic view goes like this: "I don't understand climate change, but dealing with it might affect my lifestyle. So, therefore, climate change must be a hoax".

Pretty illogical to me. makes some of you sound like flat-earthers. Guess what....climate change is happening, most of it is caused by humans, and the effects are likely to be severe. If you disagree then do some science and show that the scientists are wrong. None of you will....and the sceptics haven't ever achieved this.

By the way, I have a PhD in a climate science, and am a professor at a leading university. And, finally, I don't make money out of it! If climate change wasn't happening/caused by humans I would still have tenure!

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To the supposed climate scientist.BS.If you really are a professor,give credentials.If you do teach at a University, which one?If you did get a PhD,how did you acheive that when you write like 15 year old?Explain to me how the numbers in this article do not add up?Why were there higher arctic temperatures in the 1940's then now is mankind is driving the climate change?How does man's contribution to CO2 levels(at a miniscule part of all the other CO2 in the atmosphere,let alone all the other gases)change the greeenhouse equation?You have no answers because there are none.You want a scientific discussion?Explain to me why Gore's movie was not shown in British schools.Because his science is bad that's why.The warming crowd keeps saying 'you can't argue with science' and yet there methodology(such as we read in this article) keeps getting shot in the foot.

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I think you mean THEIR methodology!

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Maybe someone can help me out with something:

Frederick Seitz and William Nuremberg were hired in 1984 by the George C. Marshall Institute to discredit the link between carbon dioxide and global warming using many of the arguments we use today (there's so little of it in the atmosphere that it can't possibly have that much of an affect; temperature decreased during post world war economic boom; environmental change should be subject to economic mechanisms), yet the same men were used by RJ Reynolds to discredit the link between tobacco use and cancer. Now I know what you're thinking: "SO WHAT?! This doesn't mean they were wrong."

You can't come to a reasonable conclusion simply by refusing someone else's claim, and yet that is all I see coming from people who don't believe in global warming. I don't think we are in any imminent threat from global warming, but how can you refuse to acknowledge that things are getting worse? Besides, I thought we were past the point of aurguing IF it exists and moved on to if the causes are man-made?

With that said, Please stop with the half-assed metaphors like "drinking the cool aid" to validate your claims. From a PR stand point, all they do is take away from a reasonable argument. I wouldn't call anyone in here stupid. I just think they have their priorities and are keener to information that's validating. Otherwise, these people would be like chickens with their heads cut off.
Oh crap! broke my own rule.

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Why so many uses of the word "about" -

"The maximum Solar insolation from this (due to the angle and atmospheric absorption) is about 400 W/m2. The high reflectivity of clean snow (always present on ice) results in only about 40 W/m2 being absorbed into the ice."

"but even at the maximum summer level, absorbs only about 350 W/m2 near the pole. The water emissivity is slightly higher than ice, and radiates about 300 W/m2."

to highlight four.

If this is a scientific paper why not use the recoded figures with referenced sources instead of "about"? This would never have pased under peer review and places question marks over the robustness of your argument

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Maybe if Obama used the smoothing filter from Rahmstorf and applied to an economic forecast there might be a big up tick in the economy coming, somewhere down the road? buy cialis

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I agree that "global warming" is in fact an over-hyped, media enhanced public scare tactic, with perhaps some underlying political agendas. I do, however, believe that global climate change is occuring and that it is a natural cycle that has been substantiated by evidence from ice and sediment core data (as well as tree rings). An anthropogenic component is certainly a plausible theory given the body of evidence put forth from the scientific community. Yes, I realize that many of you believe that said scientists are fear-mongering puppets dancing to the tune of substantial funding opportunities. I can verify that this belief is not entirely true as I have had the opportunity to work with said "evil scientists". Malcolm Hughes, a researcher at the University of Arizona's Tree Ring Laboratory was among the original scientists to produce the fabled/infamous hockey stick image. His work, as well as those of his colleges, was so controversial at the time that a government panel was created to examine his claims. He was called on to defend his data, and while he did admit (and explained clearly in his paper) that there were limitations to his study, the image held up to peer review, the panel, and even subsequent research. In my opinion, and yes it is an opinion, the government would not fund research that could ultimately cost them (and not to mention the automotive and oil companies) MORE money. I realize most people don't tend to trust ideas and theories that are constantly changing, but that's what science is folks. It's the continual search for a better understanding of the world, which is a highly complex system that no single man can fully grasp. I agree that the Earth will live on no matter what we do. The issue at stake is not only the quality of our own lives (the lives of our species), but what WE do also affects processes throughout the world. In essence, we aren't the only species affected by our actions. Life is a cycle, and what we put into that cycle will come out elsewhere. With knowledge comes responsibility. Maybe it is our responsibility to use our knowledge to positively contribute to our world, our environment.

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hopefully,

soon people will realize that global warming, climate change, national health care and whatever agenda the current 'leaders' are pushing is not to benefit the people of the world. nor, do i believe that the world leaders care about its populous.

after money, the next drug of choice for ego maniacs is power. power and control is the most intoxicating high i know of. lucifer tried to overthrow God in Heaven to acquire power. it's that sick and twisted.

the overwhelming majority of the people have been lulled and convinced that global warming/climate change exists because we hear it enough everywhere. it is reinforced constantly because it is a discussion topic and all forms of media (especially those that profit from it) love this.

well, the world leaders love it even more. we are believing our own lies to be enslaved by false beliefs. we, as people, are generally good. most of us dont want to hurt and kill. most of us want to feel special and unique in the world. we all want to contribute and stand out as special...even if it is just slightly.

we, as humans, inherently also want control. with control comes stability. and with stability comes comfort. and with comfort, comes peace of mind.

thus, what better way to create discomfort than by upsetting the things that disturb our stability? the beauty of global warming/climate change is that it claims to be 'man made'. because it is man made, we, the people, can 'control' it. WE can make a difference. each and every one of us. we can each contribute and be special. and by doing so, we the humans, have yet created another tier system of humanity. those who believe and defend global warming will 'judge' those who do not do as much as them. they will 'fight' those who do not believe like they do. why? to feel superior and unique.

global warming/climate control believers (along with others who believe that globalization of all economies) are helping power crazy politicians inadvertently forward their agenda. being a globalist has never been so easy. they figured that using scared, weak and insignificant people to do their work for them is much more effective, efficient with far more penetrating results.

all this would not be possible with the creation and streamlining of the internet. everyone connected, including me, now have a voice. nothing makes a weak/insecure nobody feel more empowered and motivated than by others reading what 'they' wrote and having people respond to it with positive or negative statements.

thus, all this is not about repairing global warming/climate change or bettering humanity. initially, it is a way of acquiring wealth, immense wealth, from people via guilt and shame. wealth is necessary for power to be effective. power is inherently tied to wealth. power needs wealth to be successful. once wealth and power is locked in place, control takes its rightful place. control of everything would be the ultimate high. just ask lucifer.

The Truth About Arctic and Greenland Ice - by Leonard Weinstein, ScDGUEST |16 Oct : 08:39
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JUST ONE QUESTION IF ALL THIS ICE HAS MELTED WHERE HAS IT GONE? THE SEA SHORE HASN'T GOT ANY CLOSER TO THE BEACH HOUSES

The Truth About Arctic and Greenland Ice - by Leonard Weinstein, ScDguest |21 Oct : 21:40
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Just a quick question. When I was in grade school it was the all about the huge hole in the ozone layer, and how we were all about to die of cancer. What happened to the hole? Havent heard a word about it since about 1994.

Re: The Truth About Arctic and Greenland Ice - by Leonard Weinstein, ScDAnonymous |03 Nov : 05:39
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We are currently fixing the problem of the ozone layer. We have rid ourselves of CFC's on aerosol cans haven't we?

You have to think... think... what would the politicians have to gain from lying about CFC's and the ozone layer? We did something about it (got rid of CFC's) and now the conversation is over...

HOWEVER, what advantage do people have about denying the existence of global warming? Since it is caused mainly by CO2, and CO2 comes from the burning of fossil fuels, ie gasoline, we can't just stop burning gasoline overnight. This would cause serious issues with oil producing countries. NOt to mention that politicians like George Bush has ties with the oil industry... NOW, with that in mind, you can't say that some people don't have a reason to deny it.

Now, to the person who made the comment about the shoreline not getting any closer to the beach houses. very witty.... when ice melts, it turns into water. I personally have not noticed the sea levels rising because I live in Toronto. where do you live? anywhere near the ocean? perhaps not. Even then, the sea levels are currently rising at an inch every decade (if I'm not mistaken), hardly noticeable. The rate will increase however.


The Truth About Arctic and Greenland Ice - by Leonard Weinstein, ScDnigel |04 Nov : 16:27
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Is this guy mentally deficient or simply deceptive? Do tell. He claims His temperature / time series fom 1880 to present shows the early part of the 20th century as warmer than currently.

His graph appears to be for the USA only, so is not global, so means nothing. I wont be reading any more of his nonsensework and only an idiot would.

The Truth About Arctic and Greenland Ice - by Leonard Weinstein, ScDsiteyourfacts |10 Nov : 11:41
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In relation to the above article greenland was named greenland when discovered by the vikings so that people would move there and has nothing to do with the fact that it was once green, because it wasn't. Below greenlands ice is rock, so even if it did melt it wouldn't be green, it would look much like northern Canada.

In refrence to the scientific part of the above article I believe that any person planning on reading this article and believing every word should also read articles from other people(http://www.countercurrents.org/burbeck100108.htm).
Do not read one article and take it bas the whole truth. This makes you no better than the global warming "sheep" that are so commonly criticized on this site.

PS this site seams to have a lot of articles by Leonard Weinstein and none by any of the other scientists who supposedly deny global warming, if some of there articles could be added it would be greatly appreciated.

The Truth About Arctic and Greenland Ice - by Leonard Weinstein, ScDSam |13 Nov : 01:18
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Just a note: A simple click on the "short Bio" of this "ScD" will raise a red flag. I'm sure this man is smart, because he has a ScD in Endineering. But unfortunately, engineering is not Climatology. I don't believe this is his field... Look at what the Climatologists say, all of you who claim you know exactly what's going on. Why are you wasting your time reading an essay on climate change from an engineer? you wouldn't go to a psychologist for advice on your car's engine. You would go to a mechanic. Sure he has a doctorate or whatever, but he has no authority to speak on global warming. Actually, I've seen less tpyos and mechanical errors in high school essays. Was this essay even published in any legitimate scientific journal? or at all?

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