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»August 2010 UAH Global Temperature Update: +0.51 deg. C
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»Light Bulb Factory Closes; End of Era for U.S. means More Jobs Overseas
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»The Environmental Movement in Retreat
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»Oxburgh Tricks the Committee: 45 Hours in Norwich
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»Interesting nuances in IPCC groups treatment of New Zealand temperature data
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stop smoking pot
08 Sep : 15:20
Hey now! "H. was a Socialist" He was not right wing...
left equals totalitarian Govt.
Centrist equals
limited Govt.
Right equals,
No Govt./ anarchy.

That's the true break down


WCK
08 Sep : 15:13
I thought everyone already knew that the modern environmental movement had its roots in the "Green Wing" of the Nazi Party.



It is easy enough to visit CPUSA to learn that the majority of the Progressive's ideas came from Communism.




Hitler was a socialist
08 Sep : 12:27
To the last Anonymous: Have you heard of the National Socialist German Workers' Party (National-Sozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei--NSDAP)? That was Hitler's political party. They were known as the Nazis.

During the war Hitler suspended many "rights", as do most governments during time of war. But Hitler was a right wing socialist and his beliefs were much the same as that of the modern day socialist liberals.

Its funny that Hitler came to power due to the hard economic times following the depression. Using fear and promises of a better life for the people of Germany. Much the same thing as "hope and change" Obama. Hitler blamed the Jews, Obama blames the Christians. Scary.


stop smoking pot
08 Sep : 11:06
Liberal is a stolen word by the left just as progressive is a stolen word by the left, on the left you have the various forms of Marxism, they are socialists, fascists, nazis, communists, then the happy words the try to hide behind, Liberal, Progressive, Social Democrats,
Progressive Democrats,
Democrats, last but not least,
Environmentalist.


Anonymous
07 Sep : 20:23
you are a moronic canadian. you can find history books in canada, can't you?

real ones! open a text book and stop reading your favorite conspiracy theory websites.


Anonymous
07 Sep : 20:21
in which bogus science literature did you obtain this uncommon knowledge from?

since when is the fascist Hitler a liberal???

since when are communists like mao and stalin liberals?

you don't have a clue on this earth about politics.

you've been brainwashed into thinking that anyone who is not on the extreme American flag waving right wing is out to get you! lol

wow. unbelievable.


hitler a liberal?????? you really don't have a clue about politics or science.

wow. I've never heard anyone get political ideologies so screwed up.



RGB
07 Sep : 18:38
Anon:
Maxing out @ 60 PPM is pretty much common knowledge. What part of quantum physics am i violating? As I asked before, how does AGW fit into the medieval warming period? I'll answer, it doesn't. Therefore it had to be something else. Right. Do you follow? Something like the sun and/or storms thereon, cosmic rays, etc. CO2 had nothing to do with it. Period. End of story. The only constant in nature is change. Live with it.


RGB
07 Sep : 18:22
Anon:
Maybe you should read some history, Stalin, Mao, Hitler 150 million plus. Cambodia, Ukraine et al. Damn you don't know anything - must be an art's student. Keep reading fiction. By the way, I'm a Canadian, moron.


Anonymous
07 Sep : 18:06
during which war did these supposed liberals murder 150 people? wow, you must be from the US. I've never heard such a screwed up sense of history in my life.


Anonymous
07 Sep : 17:59
If there is no greenhouse effect, and water vapor, co2, methane and other greenhouse gasses don't warm up the atmosphere, then why isn't the earth the same temperature as space???

I'd love to hear you explain that one!


Anonymous
07 Sep : 17:54
the effects of co2 max out? that goes against physics. Are you trying to re-write the laws of thermal dynamics and quantum physics?

we all know that the earth has been warmer and cooler in the past. that does not disprove the physics of thermal dynamics.

you should write a book about everything you know about thermal dynamics. It would be a short and hysterical read.

where do you come up with this nonsense?


Anonymous
07 Sep : 17:49
ddt hoax? so you think ddt is not an extremely toxic substance?

are you willing to bet your life on that? why don't you go bathe in ddt to see what occurs?


RGB
07 Sep : 17:38
Anon:
The left murdered, it is estimated, over 150 million people last century. That's not counting the millions who died from malaria due to the DDT hoax. The effects of CO2 max out at 60 PPM, which we have been over for centuries. Please explain AGW back in the medieval times when it was warmer then than it is now.


stop smoking pot
07 Sep : 15:35
How much is to much Anon??
all the CO2 makes up only 1 10th of 1 percent of our total atmosphere, man made CO2, that "the evil CO2" according to you makes up only 1 20th of that!!
The amount of CO2 and radiation you warmist keep hanging on to up in the stratosphere is crazy, that's 20 miles up and then you keep telling me that radiation comes back down through the commercial air traffic at 35,000 feet that happens to be around minus 45 degrees F.!!

And still has the ability to warm up the planet??


R.Danneskjöld
07 Sep : 14:51
Anonymous (or any other alarmist): So if we keep adding CO2 to the atmosphere the world will continue to warm? Regardless of how much CO2 we add?


stop smoking pot
07 Sep : 13:57
Ha!

I have a blackberry
and haven't been to Disney for 40 years... Unlike
err and anon, who obviously go every DAY!


Anonymous
07 Sep : 13:04
and gore has nothing to do the the science of global warming. He did not make up the physics that occurs when we add pollution to this world.

once again, you confuse science with politics.

co2 absorbs radiation. more co2 creates a warmer environment. We have the technology to measure the difference between naturally occurring co2 and co2 induced by man. we have measured it. we know what man has caused and what we have not. and of course we continue to learn more. but the more we learn, the more we find the science to say the same thing.


Anonymous
07 Sep : 13:04
to say that terrorists get support from liberal minded Americans is a complete lie. you obviously don't have a clue what liberals value or support. it is not killing innocent people, that is for sure.




err on the good
06 Sep : 21:48
won't someof your saudi backers kick in?
saudi's back other terrorist


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WCK
04 Sep : 10:24
SSP - thanks.

RGB - I think anon & err (likely the same person) are kids playing on the board spouting "progressive" talking points. They feel that FOX is owned by Saudis who fund terror with oil $. The Saudi that has FOX shares, Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal, owns them through his Kingdom Holding Company who has ownership in many US companies. Gosh I didn't realize that by buying an Apple I-Phone or going to Disney World I was funding terrorism. Anyway News Corp went "green" in 2006 and accepted global warming as fact.


RGB
03 Sep : 17:45
Re: Fox News
Who owns the most. You say the Saudis are #2. What are the percentages?. Means sweet tweet if it's 99 & 1%. The main concern would be if suddenly Fox became pro-Islamic, I don't watch it, so I don't know. However I haven't seen or heard that this is the case.


stop smoking pot
03 Sep : 17:37
The less drilling the higher the price of oil.
The only problem is that the enviros and govt. regulation have made drilling in the U.S. to expensive. Even though oil reserves in the U.S. land mass have the same amounts of oil that the Gulf has.
It would be much safer to drill on land then in deep water.


stop smoking pot
03 Sep : 15:20
""isn't President Obama aiding and abetting terrorists by placing a moratorium on drilling in the gulf and forcing us to import more foreign oil?""

BINGO! Touche' WCK


WCK
03 Sep : 13:42
Question for Err. Based on your belief that $ for foreign oil supports terrorism, isn't President Obama aiding and abetting terrorists by placing a moratorium on drilling in the gulf and forcing us to import more foreign oil? Doh!


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Will the Obama Administration Trigger an Ice Age?
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President Obama's new Science Advisor is in favor of intentionally altering the oceans and the atmosphere in order to lower Earth's fever. This is an extremely dangerous move with a likely result of pushing us in to a disastrous ice age!
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Will the Obama Administration Trigger an Ice Age?m.kjonaas |09 Apr : 13:05
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I ask people in the general public how much CO2 they think there is in the atmosphere. Most have no idea but think there must be at least 30%.
The truth is that there is less than 0.04% CO2, which makes it a very small trace element of air, but still it is essential for plant growth.
CO2 cannot be considered a pollutant or "dirty" because it is a major part of our breath of life.

Re: Will the Obama Administration Trigger an Ice Age?Anonymous |07 Jun : 19:20
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I have asked the same questions but to people that profess to be educated on the "global warming" issue and yet they have no idea as well. After which telling them that is makes up only 0.04% they are left speechless. Its always a wonderful moment.

Will the Obama Administration Trigger an Ice Age?Flanagan |10 Apr : 15:42
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What a strange way to think...

Oxygen is a major part of our life, but is nevertheless very corrosive. Nitrogen is 80% of what we breathe, but if you breathe only N2 then you die.

There is no "good" and "bad" molecules, but each molecule has given chemical and physical properties which can make them at the same time necessary for life, and have a climatic effect.

Will the Obama Administration Trigger an Ice Age?Anonymous |10 Apr : 20:10
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You know what I see happening?

We're going into another ice age. Obama and his flunkies will take the credit for it and claim to have saved the planet.

Re: Will the Obama Administration Trigger an Ice Age?Mrs. Smith |27 Apr : 07:35
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Al will take credit too!

Re: Will the Obama Administration Trigger an Ice Age?Anonymous |06 Jul : 17:11
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Congratulations, Al! You solved global warming! Good job on that. That's some nice work. Now shut up and go back to inventing the Internet or whatever. Run along now.

Re: Will the Obama Administration Trigger an Ice Age?Anonymous |26 Nov : 15:28
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Obama and his flunkies... I imagine that you graduated from Harvard Law School? And were one of the youngest ever editors of the Harvard Law Review? Then again, maybe not. Please do not insult those who have so blatantly achieved more than you. It makes you look silly.

Re: Will the Obama Administration Trigger an Ice Age?T McClure |28 Nov : 12:48
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Don't you know that Ragnar Danneskjöld studied under Hugh Akston and Robert Stadler at Patrick Henry University? Obama simply can't compete with Ragnar on an acedemic level.

Will the Obama Administration Trigger an Ice Age?Anonymous |10 Apr : 20:12
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I might add that if this is the scenario--them taking credit for creating an ice age--it'll cover their butts. They'll claim that man-made global warming is real but it's okay, they stopped it.

Will the Obama Administration Trigger an Ice Age?Anon in SA |13 Apr : 02:49
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They won't trigger an ice age because their geo-engineering will have no effect.
They think we are powerful enough to stop global warming? Give me a break.
If they succeed in stopping mount redoubt from erupting or a hurricane from making landfall this summer, or seeding enough cloud to turn the Gobi desert into a lush rainforest paradise, only then can we say that they will trigger an ice age.
If they try such a project then it will be a collosal failure, I agree with anon, perhaps they know the Earth will now enter a new Dalton-like minimum, so to save the agw farce they will "cool the planet".
Problem is, if it gets a little too cold and people in the tropics start freezing to death and they call on the "heroes" to make it warm again, well then even if they burn every ounce of fuel on this planet, nothing will happen!

Will the Obama Administration Trigger an Ice Age?Anonymous |14 Apr : 09:02
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the problem around here is, you guys don't have a clue what you're talking about.

Re: Will the Obama Administration Trigger an Ice Age?earnest mann |24 Apr : 19:40
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and you do? Just follow the money. I like my cheap gasoline; I don"t want to go broke paying for rediculous forms of energy so Al Gore and George Soros can get even richer

Re: Will the Obama Administration Trigger an Ice Age?Anonymous |01 May : 19:30
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What part of non renewable resource don't you people get? We need to wean ourselves off gas and oil for National Security reasons.

Re: Will the Obama Administration Trigger an Ice Age?HuntsDUX |07 May : 12:51
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National Defense reasons? WOW, you have got to be joking!!! That would mean a complete overhaul in engineering of our weapons systems and vehicles. I'm sorry to break the news to you, but we haven't made catipults in our military for years. Oh, and those F-22's believe it or not don't run on Duracell batteries. When you mention national security reasons, do you support some sort of bullet/nuke proof dome to be engineered and then placed over the country? I too think that would be a great idea, now go and engineer it!!!

Re: Will the Obama Administration Trigger an Ice Age?Anonymous |27 May : 21:19
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I understand that you are trying to say that our military runs on gasoline and that is true, in fact most of everything in our world runs on gasoline. All of us understand this but what most people do not understand is that the gasoline will run out eventually and unless we switch to other energy sources then we will be overly screwed when it happens. Fortunately we will not run out for a while but it doesn't hurt to get the switch to renewable energy done early does it.

Re: Will the Obama Administration Trigger an Ice Age?fallen_dawn |28 May : 21:12
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Look the point is that there are groups out there that are using all of this hype to force through major changes in policy. Some of this is rather silly: Note what Chu just said about painting every building and roof white to increase reflectivity. There are other initiatives that are much more chilling. Pickens pressing hard for eminent domain so that he can build the world's largest windfarm, when he is set to reap billions, not just in utility bills but tax credits from the FED. Then there is the carbon credit scheme and the entities that have been positioning themselves to reap untold fortunes when this is forced through. One of the most ambitious in this group is none other than Al Gore and the enviromental policy company he helped to start in the last couple of years. He claims that the company is raising money to spread more enviromental awareness. Which means they are purchasing and stockpiling carbon credits off the Chicago Carbon exchange (Thanks to our beloved president, Barack Obama) and they plan to dole them out at the highest price as Paul Atreides doled out his precious spice to a starving universe.

There are so many holes in the Global Warming arguements that to listen to these people is like listening to the ramblings of a pathological liar.

To me, there is only 1 thing that is clear: No one knows what is going on, and people screaming for aggressive action need to step back and think for just a moment about the direction these people are taking us. We are talking about:
1) Crippling the Global economy with no perceived benefit
2) Entrusting power generation to sources that are proven to be highly unreliable
3) Making a concerted effort to fundamentally change the atmospheric chemistry without the slightest clue at the long term effects
4) Handing over significant control over everyday manners to a very large international body, which has been shown in the past to be corrupt.

Don't you people think that just any one of these is enough to want to slow down and think through what we are doing?

Re: Will the Obama Administration Trigger an Ice Age?Anonymous |12 Dec : 18:36
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Well said... Some people lose focus on the bigger picture in an effort to support their now crippled religious perspective... It's been going on for a while now, and it's hard to let the ego take the hit for the lies that have been spread... It would mean having to fess up to being a major tool, and the "edgy, hardcore liberal" crowd would find even the basis of their definition of self being ground down to a nub, which causes a reckless, defensive form of behavior and posturing... Try telling a devout christian that their God is a lie sometime (whether or not that's true, I don't intend to speculate, though I will voice my opinion that religion should not interfere in social policy).

Re: Will the Obama Administration Trigger an Ice Age?Anonymous |03 Dec : 08:10
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how does global warming make sence economicaly, the only reason peaple are contradicting it is that they want to continue a wastfull lifstyle and getting cheap energy. You guys dont know what your talking about

Re: Will the Obama Administration Trigger an Ice Age?Anonymous |24 May : 22:38
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And how much money did you donate to this site?....someone is sure getting rich from you by writting some off the wall baseless articles

Re: Will the Obama Administration Trigger an Ice Age?Anonymous |23 Sep : 11:44
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Ohhh and you do? Indulge me please.

Will the Obama Administration Trigger an Ice Age?Anonymous |15 Apr : 01:15
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As it's been predicted that solar cycles 24 and 25 are going to cause 1.5C decline in global temperatures and they know it's been predicted (http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2006/10may_longrange.htm) I wouldn't be suprised if
1. They say they're spending billions on it.
2. Make us think they are doing something while
3. Secretly divert the cash elsewhere (Al Gore retirement fund)
4. when the predicted cooling occurs, claim credit.

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The statement about the sun causing change in global temperatures is completely false. The sun does cause temperature change because the sun is heating up and has been throughout history. It is already proven that this can account to be less then one tenth of the temperature change we are seeing. The rest in anthropogenic. Luckily the entire scieintific community has seen the truth and so has the world and no one is listening to you now.

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It has not been proven that the sun is not responsible for any warming. 1st) Climate models are not "proof" of anything other than computers can tell you what ever you want them to. 2nd) Explain the Maunder Minimum cooling period where the earth cooled by a greater amount than than it is now warming. (Was that man's fault too?) Sunspots were not existent for years during that period and very low for the rest of it. 3rd) luminance is not the only solar attribute that can effect our climate! But that is all the studies you are probably referring to looked at.

Saying scientists have "proven" any theory would mean that it was no longer a theory.

Re: Will the Obama Administration Trigger an Ice Age?Anonymous |29 Apr : 20:56
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You must be a writer for the Club of Rome.

Re: Will the Obama Administration Trigger an Ice Age?cand051997 |29 Jun : 06:51
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This is to guest. I have been reading much on the 'global warming' issue. I am well educated but no scientist. What I have seen in my readings about global warming is that those who have such dire predictions are basing their opinions only on recently acquired, short term, partial information. If those same statistics and figures are put in prespective with the global trends from hundreds of years, their meaning is very different. In short, there is no AGW. Before you pass judgment, REALLY look at ALL the information, not just the hype of the last few years.

Re: Will the Obama Administration Trigger an Ice Age?LouisD |08 Oct : 11:24
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Are you living in LA LA land because you've clearly never passed a physics, physical science, chemistry or astronomy class of any value. CO2 is a modest trace gas upon which all PLANT life (therefore Al Gore) is dependent. At 200ppmv plants cease to grow and begin to suffocate, much like humans would at low levels of O2. At 385 ppmv CO2 is not much higher than the lowest estimated concentration in the environment over the 4.6 billion year history of the planet. Historically CO2 was much higher and in fact, during ice ages, was significantly higher. By the way, ice ages dominated the last 140,000 years so you better be more concerned about global freezing than heating. CO2 is a blessing, plant food and provides the planet with prosperity. If you don't understand that then you better go back to your finger paints and cafe house conversations extolling the virtues of Lenin.

Re: Will the Obama Administration Trigger an Ice Age?LouisD |08 Oct : 11:37
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As for your statement that climate is unrelated to the sun....well I guess before humans came along and started pooping we could ignore the first 4.6 billion years of changes because apparently climate never changed before....NOT! The fact is, for most of the 4.6 billion year history of the planet, the climate was actually much warmer. In fact permanent ice caps didn't appear until about 35mya. Now the reality is climates change because the planet changes. Plate tectonics, volcanism (surface 15% seen and undersea 85% unseen), solar radiation output changes, gas composition densities in interstellar space through which the solar system travels, the sun's output, catastrophic impacts (asteroids), the cyclical planetary wobble, tidal and current changes, surface sea temperatures ALL FACTOR INTO CLIMATE. CO2 heat retention is of insignificant importance when measured total W/m^2 that the earth receives from the sun and that varies significantly over time. Wait, I am trying to educate the useless uneducated mass...what was I thinking. Hey how bout those new cabbage patch dolls? Got your new I-Pod cover. The problem with most followers of pseudo-scientific crap is that they were so liberally educated they can program an I-pod to get their meatloaf tunes but think dihydrogen-monoxide is a pollutant.

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Yes... All too often we forget about how clouds of gas in our galaxy can interact with the solar wind, pushing it back and exposing us to cosmic rays (among other things) from distant star explosions and the birth of the universe itself... Also, how an astounding solar flare could blast away the more important parts our atmosphere, especially if the magnetic field sufficiently weakens, leaving our planet as dead and lifeless as mars... The hoax must be put in perspective with REAL potential doomsday scenarios, in order to show the resources already lost to climate change shennannigans.

Will the Obama Administration Trigger an Ice Age?Anonymous |23 Apr : 16:38
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I think Obama is saying those things to make the environmentalists happy. I honestly don't believe that will happen. He won't do anything and this global warming stuff will fade away. It's already starting to, I really don't hear about it at all anymore like I use to a few years ago. But I agree that this is a stupid ass idea. If it ain't broke-don't fix it.

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They will claim credit for the cooling back down, easily, for the general public is so STUPID. They follow the big talkers, (hence, obama) and look what he did?!?!! Mostly, those who talk crap, walk in it.

Life sucks and then you die, better yourself and the species and move on. For we are "over populating the earth", it can hold billions of more humans, with minimal impact. For the stories of sob-ness that are "caused by us humans" are the complete over exaggerated extreme of things. Just do your research. Look up both sides, and then find that really, the "right" side is nearly always right, only left side is able to swing them with their talking and over exaggerations. For when the public is in fear, they will do anything to better themselves(ever heard of the Russian Revolution?).

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Amen...The dumb down masses should read about The Club Of Rome. Go to their web site and find out what this global warming hoax is really about ( A NEW RELIGION !! ) As for the Russian Revolution it only benefited the Elite and not the Workers

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The thing is, we have only really been saving history of climatic affects for 200 or so years, before then, all they can do is estimate(also known as pulling numbers out of their butts to prove a point). How do we f-ing know the earths heating and cooling patterns? Maybe they change frequently, who fricken knows... Really, it aint broke, as far as any of us can tell, so dont fix it (because if you try, you may get the bi-polar opposite of the situation, like this story, putting more things to extinction, and this time it would be proven to be our fault as humans). i say, let god (nature, life, whatever, however you see it) do his/its work. For lots of these ppl who freak about extinctions of animals because of this, also claim animals evolve. So if they evolve, they evolve at edge of extintion, and if the species is to survive, it will evolve. For Coyote's used to reproduce at 4 years, now its like 8 months (close to this atleast, cant remember exactly). If that's not evolution, what is.
(evolution = adapting to survive)

Re: Will the Obama Administration Trigger an Ice Age?LouisD |08 Oct : 11:51
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You ask a valid question. But good science has real answers and they can found in tens of thousands of data sets culled by real scientists and observers from nature. You should have learned these things in high school like we did back in the 60's and 70's but now days, you people barely learn to read, dress a banana in rubber and hang a chad or two. Don't ask us to educate you on why we know about climate more than 200 years in the past. It takes reasoning and intellect to understand it and frankly, you are just too ignorant. I swear if the O-train told most of you to drink cool-aid laced with poison (Jim Jones) you would.

Will the Obama Administration Trigger an Ice Age?lweinstein |25 Apr : 06:36
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See the following for a scientific analysis on the issue:





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Great links !!

Will the Obama Administration Trigger an Ice Age?Anon in SA |25 Apr : 08:44
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Any idiotic fool that says : " The sun has NO influence on climate" is clearly a weak link or a reject among humanity.
I cannot understand such nonsense.
Any two year old can notice that the minute they are put in the sunlight, their face and skin begin to get warm. The amount of sun reaching earth during the orbital path of Earth determines the seasonal fluctuations. If it were not for the sun, the Earth would be frozen solid like Pluto no matter how much CO2 was in the atmosphere.
When the Landscheidt minimum does fully arrive, I think all these fools need to be exposed and common sense will prevail.

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Amen....

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I think you are a complete idiot who has NO idea what your talking about. You need to go back to school and take a good look at what the [censored] is going on in the world today thanks to global warming. Its a PROVEN fact that global warming is destroying our atmosphere and is melting our polar ice caps. yeah an ice age? common gimme a break. id rather then fix the ozone layer and have our future generations not have to drown. Global warming is real and if you dont beleive it and dont see the signs then your [censored] blind and brain washed. seriously wake the [censored] up.

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Do you have proof of global warming? We present a lot of evidence against man-made global warming on this site. Much of it from well known scientists. In fact over 31,000 scientists in U.S. alone (and many more from around the world) have professed to being skeptical about the anthropogenic global warming theory, over 9,100 have PhD's or similar. That is a lot scientists!

Obviously you are not being told the complete story or you would have known this. Feel free to stop by and contribute what ever "evidence" you may have but be prepared to read the rebuttals.

p.s. swearing doesn't make you look any smarter.

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Who are these 31000 scientists? Have you counted the lot and asked each one of them if they support global warming or not?

Re: Will the Obama Administration Trigger an Ice Age?Anonymous |29 Apr : 21:18
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Poor dumb down idiot....Turn off your T.V. stop watching all that crap and look at NASA's own web site and do your homework. You might also want to go to . Find out how deep the rabbit hole really is.

Re: Will the Obama Administration Trigger an Ice Age?Al Schweitzer |01 Jul : 06:33
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First, a note on your ridiculous and consistent misuse of the word "your", when you need to use "you're." The first is a possessive pronoun and the second is a contraction for "you are." And while you're at it, you should use "its" as a possessive; the contraction "it's" is used in place of "it is". Obviously, you're one who needs to go back to school.

As for the subject at heart, IF, if global warming is occurring, it's a very natural phenomenon unrelated to human attribution. For the geological ignorati, like you, we have had the growth and diminishment of many glacial epochs, and we're just on the downside of one...and the upside WILL occur. Glacial events, such as the Kansan, Wisconsin, Iowan and Nebraskan have left their marks all over North America, and the Riss and Wurm glaciations changed Europe. It's not an all or none phenomenon, rather it's like a saw tooth series of events, not unlike the stock market where one can see short and long term trends. Warming and cooling changes over centuries, with long range trends having the greater effects.

And just imagine the age of dinosaurs, where eons of vegetation, dinosaurs and such organic matter forming the basis for all our petroleum, gas, and coal on this planet. The amount of methane produced was phenomenal, and methane is well over 20 times a "green-house gas" than carbon dioxide.

If global temperatures are in grand variances, species adapt and overcome as they have for thousands of millennia. We are wasting our time, resources and capacity for the wrong events. From the adaptations of mammals, such as the elephant's distant cousins the mammoths and mastodons, to the ancient age of dinosaurs, adaptations have gone on for millions of years, and nothing can avert the natural processes of the earth. Human efforts are not even a blink of time's eye in the long run.

No worries, however, as global man-made catastrophe’s will occur, most notably in the name of Allah, courtesy of Islamic radicals. Their ugly world hegemony will wreck havoc upon this world not unlike the Black Plague. We need to stop world terrorism, like Muslim extremists, or it won't matter how hot or cold it will become. I will not live in "their" world, and I will fight THAT with all my heart. And these extremists can keep stoking the fires of hell.



Re: Will the Obama Administration Trigger an Ice Age?LouisD |08 Oct : 12:28
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I would like to address the guy's worries on holes in the O3 layer. Well, first of all, let us be reasoned and admit he probably doesn't even know what 03 is....but why digress. Come to think of it, the writer is probably like most liberals, so incredibly narcissistic that he/she can't possibly comprehend why it is O3 holes exist, why always over the poles, why they tend to correspond (expand and contract) in direct relationship to the 11 year solar cycle interacting with the earth's magnetosphere. Now I am sorry I started down this path because with liberals, it has to be about their refrigerator and hair spray. What cracks me up is that liberals never actually do the math, never actually measure and compare what man produced and then compares that to the actual environment or atmosphere. See, you need to know how to use a computer for more than email and media downloads to accomplish that. But here is a clue for all you high (drugged) schroolers (droolers). One square inch of AIR above your head at sea level weighs almost 15 lbs. The earth is 3,981 miles in diameter (mean) so use the simple math that gives you the surface area of a sphere, and multiply that out to square inches x 14.9 and you'll know the weight of the entire atmosphere. Clue........it's big, a really really really BIG number. Then imagine ALL the human created CRAP that has ever been made! By comparison, it's tiny, really really tiny! I'm just say'n! By the way, once you know the weight of the atmosphere, you can compare changes in CO2 from 300ppmv 100 years ago (estimated) to the 385ppmv today and see just what a real impact that has. It is a change of .000085 in the atmosphere. Consider that ONE volcanic eruption like Mt. Pinatubo or Mt. St. Helens puts more CO2 in the air in a few days or hours than all human output in a year. Volcanism in 1981 was running at about 1/2 the present rate from what geophysical surveys show on both the surface and undersea. Clearly the earth has suffered worse.

Re: Will the Obama Administration Trigger an Ice Age?skerzoid |18 Jul : 23:32
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Nothing in weather or economics is a PROVEN fact. The systems are too large to make predicitions that we should base national policy on. Just as Obama accepts the scientific Proof of global warming to justify the largest tax increase in the history of the country (during a recession!!!! Holly Herbert Hoover!), he wishes to accept the Proof of GW so he can expand his government and possibly bring about ("world governence" in the words of Al Gore). A Marxist central planner always believes in the inevitability of "scientific" things!

Warming - cooling.... really a humain effet?nicknick007 |12 May : 09:57
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I you believe that global warming is mainly cause buy humain industries, how do you explain the warming period that ocured around the year 900 and the "little ice age" around the 1800's period....? Fossil fuel...?yeah right...!!! I also heard that cancer was caused by the regular use of teleportation... This hole story is just another way to taxe and exploit the hard working humain beings on this planet. A carbon taxe will have a devastating effect on every humain being, everyhting that to do, buy, eat will have carbon taxe attached to it and managed buy the same people that got us in the current economic situation. The big "owners" of this planet dont care about polar bears dying or humain behings suffering they just want more cash, more power, more control. Im much more concern about the real polution in the water, in the air... Antibiotics in meats, geneticaly modify organism and plants in our food. We are exposed daily to all sorts of chemical products... This CO2 causing catastrofic climate change is a smoke screen, a big show... I still think that we should limit our use of fossil fuel, the fact that it is a limited energy source is bound to cause problem in the long run...

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Why would Geoengineering trigger an Ice Age? On one hand you say that humans are not powerful enough to change the Earth's climate. Now you are predicting an Ice Age? If skeptics like you don't stop, Geoengineering might as well be the only option.

And do you have any evidence that Geoengineering can lead to an Ice Age?

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Actually we've never said that humans aren't powerful enough to cause global warming. If we wanted to do it we might be able to, if we were actually trying (e.g. paint the planet black and see what happens). What we have said is that its very unlikely that man's activities to date have caused warming, especially our minuscule CO2 increases.

Its a lot easier to cause cooling as you aren't adding energy. To cause cooling you're either blocking blocking or reflecting it. A small nuclear war would cause enough particulates in the atmosphere to block the sun. Its called nuclear winter. If we're on the verge of an ice age anyway something like that might very well push us in to it.

Re: Will the Obama Administration Trigger an Ice Age?LouisD |08 Oct : 12:38
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Humans are NOT powerful enough or technologically advanced enough at this point to control nature. But humans can adversely affect nature and one way to trigger an ice age is to not recognize just how close to one the earth is at any given moment. In the first place the earth is just now in an interglacial period, but glacial (ice age) periods have predominated most of the last 2.5 million years. We are sort of in a brief summer when we compare now to the past 2.5 myh. Worse yet, we may be close to the end of that. We cannot now heat the planet...wish we could though because we may very well need to in the not too distant (200-1500 year) future. Certainly because of position (solar system) within the galaxy and wobble, various astronomical normality will push us to ice within 6,000 years. Then What? Will we be smart enough to find the energy means to keep the planet alive then? Maybe not!

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Wait, I thought we (humans) couldn't affect the Earths atmosphere. I thought that was original critique.

So we can cool it down but not heat it up, eh?

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See above.

Its a lot easier to block sun light then it is to add energy to cause warming.

Re: Will the Obama Administration Trigger an Ice Age?LouisD |08 Oct : 12:45
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Exactly.... heating is much tougher if the sun dims slightly, or if a shade of tiny micron size dust particles interrupts the sun's radiation simply because the dust in interstellar space increases as we travel through it. People don't realize that even if dust grains increased by just 1 grain per cubic meter between the earth and sun (93 mmi apart) it would be double what it is now and the earth would cool several degrees. A 1-5 to 1.7 C decline would trigger a severe and long lasting ice event. I am far more concerned about astronomical events than car exhaust.

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Al Gore and Chairman Markey are idiots with an agenda driven by their puppeteers. Their ideas like all liberal ideas will fail with counter intuitive results, Always! None of them has ever had an original idea in their lives and Obama man in Obamaland too is just a puppet. The science is there but no one can do a thing about it!

Will the Obama Administration Trigger an Ice Age?philip_clarkson |27 May : 17:09
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We are not exclusive, but an integral part of earth's continuing development, and consequently subject too, any eco-logical change over time.

We must not discount the planets ability for radical simpatico adaptation, or second guess our earth’s superior eco system which has survived for eons in hostile space environments. The part we play may be minuscule in comparison, however misguided in the extreme.

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Times are changing, the free world is giving up freedoms and everyone believes co2 is going to kill us all in the end..sad

I am curious as to if anyone here realizes that a volcano puts out more co2 in a single eruption then humans in these times put out in 5 years?
That would mean if Global Warming is true with the Co2 theory..then we should be dead already because humans were around when most of the volcanic ridges around the world were active..from the recent 200 year climate records we kept it shows without a shadow of a doubt that tempature rose when there were more sunspots and decreased when less sun spots and in one case when hardly no sunspots it threw us into a mini ice age..

not only that but the co2 records don't match either if co2 is suppoedly the cause of global warming then earth's ice caps are lieing to us all and should be indited.

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Did you know that Human Goverment has killed more people then all natural disasters and wars combined...

And we believe them still? Lol...

Will the Obama Administration Trigger an Ice Age?Breath_of_fresh_air |30 May : 19:56
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Finally, a website of reason amongst a sea of idiocy!
I looked at the NASA temp data over the past 450000 years, and after looking at it, I'm hoping we can hold on a little while longer before the big ice age comes. It looks like it's been an abnormally long warm period for the last few thousand years. We are going to have to get a whole lot better at sustaining our population under adverse conditions before this next ice age hits. Just another 500 years and we should be alright.
Anyone who looks at that data and thinks we're going to turn into a frying pan needs to have their head examined.

Re: Will the Obama Administration Trigger an Ice Age?LouisD |08 Oct : 12:48
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EXACTLY!

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The level of ignorance is getting scary. I work for a national weather agency that will remain nameless and I have thoroughly analyzed NASA's data as well as others. NASA's data confirms warming. Comments to the contrary are stupid. The article reference above on sun spots makes absolutely no reference to global temperature or otherwise. It is dealing with cosmic radiation and magnetic pulses which are part of space weather.
FACT: It's getting warmer and steadily has been from the 1600s
FACT: Greenhouse effect is an effect that can be duplicated in a laboratory and noticeable changes in measured effects in Earth's atmosphere have been documented
FACT: Are we at dangerous temperature levels? No, we have quite a while, but if you can slow it down and prolong the human species, wouldn't you want to?
FACT: Are greenhouse gases solely responsible? Absolutely not, climate trends, Earth's relation to the sun, increased population giving off body heat and many other variables all contribute.
POINT: While there are many variables contributing to the heating up of earth, Greenhouse gas emissions are the easiest for us to control. (Or plan B, kill off half the world's population) If you don't care if we extend the livable environment from 500 years to 700 years - to each his own.

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I agree with all of your facts except I would like to refute part of the last one. More body heat does not factor into global warming at all because although our population has increased, what about the animal population? Its been going down because of our expansion. Therefore we can assume that human body heat is just replacing that of animal body heat. And on a side note I do not believe that body heat is even a major factor on the issue. At most it's negligible.

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Is this the same weather service that said "areas from the northern Plains into the Northeast will have a "year without a summer." I doubt you work for them. We're freezing. The upper midwest has been cold and wet, much like the Maunder minimum.

You weather people tend to look at very short trends. Bump that up to look at detail over the past million years and this little blip of warming that we've had is nothing. It doesn't even match the Medieval Warming Period and that was fairly recent.

The past 10 years has seen no warming and its getting colder all the time. At what point will the weather people give up and admit that this was a short term blip?

Re: Will the Obama Administration Trigger an Ice Age?harddrive |23 Jun : 04:37
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Body heat from increased human population being a factor in global warming? Wow. Everything else you said before that was immediately rendered irrelevant when you made that unfathomably ridiculous point. Mercy sakes alive.

Re: Will the Obama Administration Trigger an Ice Age?LouisD |08 Oct : 12:54
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Well you may play a weatherman but you shure aren't as smart as other scientists. Do we care if the earth's 400 year past shows a slight warming trend? A little...but put your data specs on and look at history over the last 2-5 myh. It's been colder, warmer and all that happened without any human continuum. Frankly MOST meteorologists do NOT buy into the global warming hoax, now renamed global climate change. If you were a REAL scientist you would realize that CLIMATE HAS ALWAYS CHANGED. EARTH CHANGES DAILY! SEAS RISE, FALL and species adapt or extinct. Why do you people think the earth is the same today as it was 10,000, 100,000, 1 million, billion years ago. IT CHANGES because space, the sun, the entire environment changes. Try starting your science education with a pop-up book and work your way up to some level where your ignorance isn't so incredibly obvious.

Re: Will the Obama Administration Trigger an Ice Age?LouisD |08 Oct : 12:57
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P.S. Sure was spelled shure for the phonetic-dependent readers....

Will the Obama Administration Trigger an Ice Age?Vondutch |18 Jun : 14:37
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Doesn't anyone remember paleo-climate charts from high school?

If you compare today’s avg temps to temps over the last 600M years, Earth is about as cold now as she has ever been and is currently experiencing rising temps as would be predicted.

If you look at climate through a pin hole, as the global warming alarmist would like, the change looks menacing. However, if you open your eyes to the whole picture, there is no legitimate evidence for alarm.

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Re: Will the Obama Administration Trigger an Ice Age?LouisD |08 Oct : 13:02
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Mostly true. But prior to the Himalaya uplift, the earth was generally warmer before 35 mya. There were severe periods of glaciation (ice ages) before then, but they were more rare events. The earth's tilt and wobble may have changed a bit over the last 2 billion years so that could explain the pattern changes. But you are right that over the last 600 million years, the present trend is pretty insignificant. In fact since 5,000 BC the earth is still much colder. When it was warmer, the SAHARA was much smaller and wetter and deserts were smaller worldwide. The fact is deserts are the product of a colder climate, not a warmer climate.

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Just like in algebra, you start with a very complex equation and start crossing off offsetting elements. When you break it all down you get a very simple picture.

1) Current temperatures are within the historical norm according to temperature data which....

2) Is subject to a significant margin of error because of flawed methods generating the data.

3) Rising CO2 may correlate to very recent trends of increasing temperature, but there is absolutely no scientific evidence of cause and effect. Historical data actually suggests the opposite... That rising CO2 levels follow rising temperatures. And just as likely (or more so if you consider the range of possibilities) the two have nothing to do with each other.

4) Scientific method dictates that a hypothesis is not considered true unless all alternate hypotheses have been eliminated. And yet there are people who purposely ignore all alternate possibilities and continue to profess their faith in global warming...

5) By definition GW advocates are followers of a religion. A conclusion that it is has been drawn based on select facts, and all information contrary to that conclusion is purposely ignored and the people who present it are purposely demeaned as heretics. This is the foundation of any religion. You cannot call yourself a true scientist or objective rational thinker unless you remove emotion and bias and take ALL information into account before forming a conclusion. And since there is an equally valid refute for every point of the GW argument, anyone who still believes it to be true and absolute is simply a not being objective.

6) The most common refute to point five is an "ends justify the means argument" that basically states that if people stop polluting because they believe in GW then it is a good thing nonetheless. But if CO2 doesn't raise temperatures then it isn't a pollutant at all, so why not use our most abundant resources like coal to generate power? This isn't to say we shouldn't develop other methods. It just means that we shouldn't limit ourselves at the expense of our prosperity simply based on haphazard assumptions.

Re: Will the Obama Administration Trigger an Ice Age?LouisD |08 Oct : 13:05
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All good. On number 4 I think you mean "anthropogenic" global warming. But you are otherwise 100% correct.

Will the Obama Administration Trigger an Ice Age?Anonymous |29 Jun : 16:24
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Global warming or not, we all just have, use, and waste too much stuff! Yes, in theory the planet "could" support increasing population levels, assuming everyone used just what they needed. As it stands, many of us (especially in America) are using far more than our share of resources. This seems to work out okay so long as the majority of the world's population (poor people) continue using a much smaller share. But as populations continue to increase, everyone will need to start consuming less. This should not a debate about whether the climate will change - this should be a debate about responsible consumption.

And for those of you refuting the GW hoax - who do you think stands to profit from your hard work? Do you think it's a coincidence that ExonMobile paid millions to anti-global warming research? Every group has an agenda. Just don't forget whose you're supporting.

Yes, green energy proponents stand to make a ton of money. How is this different from what big oil has already been doing for 100 years? Capitalism, guys. I hope ingenuity and not ignorance will determine which faction triumphs.

Re: Will the Obama Administration Trigger an Ice Age?LouisD |08 Oct : 13:09
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Show me duh money. Usually people who condemn big business (Mobile Exxon in this case), don't have a clue as to what actually would be good or bad for those businesses or anyone else for that matter.

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For people that think we are creating global warming you are wrong. Did we create the ice age. Did we create global warming during the medival times. It has been this warm before.

Will the Obama Administration Trigger an Ice Age?gatersaw |30 Jun : 21:11
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Democrats are only judged on their intentions - not the results. Rush Limbaugh 2009

Will the Obama Administration Trigger an Ice Age?Tropkins |16 Jul : 16:37
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It's Truly Amazing, To See Peoples Ignorance regarding our climate... "Global warming" is a Lie, and a scary one.

Truth- We Could Fit All The People on earth in Australia with Half an acre each and still have half of Queensland and the rest of the world completely empty. We are nowhere near overpopulated.

Truth- Our Atmosphere is proven to contain aprox. 0.04% Co2. and Human Contribution is proven to be aprox. 1% of said 0.04% total Co2 Content in our atmosphere. So Our Contribution to Climate Change in regards to emmisions and Co2 is aprox. 0.0004%.....
Thats it.... 0.0004% is the basis for the environmentalists platform.

Truth- the overall Global temperature has been on a continual decline over the last several thousand years. it was considerably warmer overall during the mid-evil period and even warmer still during the period of Rome and ancient Egypt. if you look at the links that "lweinstein" provided there is a chart that dates back to 1000 BC. and that chart shows that the earth used to be much warmer. and that our current "Global warming Crisis" is in fact a very small blip on the chart, especially in in retrospect to its much larger precusors which still had no effect whatsoever on humanity's "Sustainability"

Truth- Plants Breath Co2...

Truth- Most Hippies Smell Bad...lol(that just me being a smart ass)

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The overpopulation problem isn't just about room. It's more about the fact the now there isn't enough food and resources to go round.

Also, the problem with CO2 is that now our CO2 output is more than the plants can handle, which isn't helped by the fact that we're destroying plant life around the world.

Re: Will the Obama Administration Trigger an Ice Age?LouisD |08 Oct : 16:45
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yes but you are right....hippies really do smell.

Will the Obama Administration Trigger an Ice Age?Anon |02 Aug : 21:50
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You guys have no idea what your talking about. It is quite clear that by burning fossil fuels, we are putting far more carbon dioxide into the atmosphere than is natural, and thus disrupting the carbon cycle. Too much carbon dioxide in the air creates a greenhouse effect (you've seen those right?) which holds the heat in (and the cold in in the winter, so we're conscious of the cooling too) and THERE'S GLOBAL WARMING! It makes sense if you've spent a little time studying natural science.

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I find it very arrogant that some humans think they can do anything to control mother nature. We cant even fathom what mother nature is capable of

Will the Obama Administration Trigger an Ice Age?Anonymous |16 Aug : 08:00
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Global Warming was created by Demo(n)crats to push their agenda of wealth redistribution. You can take any data and schew it to "prove" your position. Anyway, I don't want the government (democrat or republican) regulating my life. What we need are moderates to form a third party of common sense. A little from column A and a little from column B. Abandon fossil fuels...stupid. Abandon looking for alternative energy sources....stupid. We should be looking at new sources of energy so we can stop pumping money into economies bent on our destruction, not because of AGW. Somewhere in the middle you'll find the truth.

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This is ridiculous. I don't find global warming to be a party-affiliated topic as much as a humanity-related subject. Too many people are thinking in an America-centric mindset and don't even see past Democrats and Republicans, Left and Right. Democrats and Republicans aren't relevant in so many countries that are affected by this global change, man-made or not. Seriously, who in Kenya cares if you are left-wing or right-wing? But I bet there are many in Kenya who cares when the heat starts to intensify and crops begin to die.

I for one don't know if man-made global warming is true or not, but I seriously don't care. It is a moral question of why we are polluting the beautiful earth we have to live on when we can nurture it. Even if carbon dioxide is not heating the world up, I am SURE that NO ONE here, democrat or republican, likes to see a cloud of brown smog hanging over the city, causing asthma and other diseases. I am SURE that NO ONE here likes to swim in brown, polluted waters filled with pathogens and bacteria. The priority here is about maintaining the world in a state of livability, because once fossil fuels are gone, and oil has been depleted, then we will seriously regret our inaction.

Re: Will the Obama Administration Trigger an Ice Age?LouisD |08 Oct : 13:14
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So you believe CO2 is a pollutant! Tell me, is dihydrogen-monoxide also a pollutant?

You probably do and yet sadly, CO2 is actually the breath of LIFE for all things GREEN...... except maybe frogs. Plants need both of those substances above to even exist. You provide your house plants with those two things every day just by breathing and turning on the tap. When you say you don't know about something, all you are showing is ignorance. Ignorance is no excuse for superstitious stupidity. If you are ignorant then keep your opinion to yourself, do the hard work of studying the real science and then form an opinion, but stop doing the lefty-lindy dance where you knee jerk the world into enriching men like Al Gore and Nazi George Soros.

Will the Obama Administration Trigger an Ice Age?anonymous |03 Oct : 11:43
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Do any of you people have a phd in science. No. Thats what I thought. Ask a real scientist on this topic, you will be shocked.

Will the Obama Administration Trigger an Ice Age?Anonymous |27 Oct : 21:06
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Anybody that doesn't believe in global warming is a complete fool. You are a tool for the big oil business, i've seen a lot of people arguing that you need to follow the money and you'll find out why global warming isin't real.

Well, maybe you need to follow the money. Republicans are tools of big business, especially oil companys. Bush was a tool for big oil. Oil companys/ coal companies really don't want people to believe in global warming. They would lose all their business then. Everything is about money. I agree though that the fact that global warming is a little overplayed, but it still exists people. Where do you think all that pollution goes? You all need to think for yourselves. You're going to [censored] up this earth. I don't care if i made any spelling mistakes btw, the article has enough.

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Maybe if everybody on both sides would realize visiting websites and patting themselves on the back doesn't make them scientists anymore than scientists partioning off on issues would make them *good* scientists, there would be less... Debate and more... Facts and infectious questions.

For example, most of what I read in the comments here is "your stupid follow the money obviously you can't think" with the occasional "im not so stupid as you think, why would so many people agree to it if its really wrong?" and "You're (not your) grammar, it's (not its) so terrible that it's wrecking (not wreaking..) havoc on my brain"

The problem here is the attitude. The more "your stupid" comments there are, the easier it is to match them up with a pro-hoax scientist (figuratively speaking) and cancel out the sum. For each "follow the money obviously Al Gore is trying to get rich" comment, there is approximately 1/10000th of a paper entitled "How Cap and Trade Systems May Not Leverage CO2 Changes." One of these things contributes "to the cause," so to speak. The other most decidedly doesn't.

As a corollary: The Loose Change guys! Did you see them in the Popular Science interview? I certainly have some questions about certain of what I consider to be debatable conclusions regarding 9/11 events, but the opening thirty seconds of that interview had one Loose Change gentleman opening his begapped-trap and spouting an incoherent stream of terms including "neofascist" and "mainstream media lies." I shut that interview off immediately: Scientific debate isn't a place for conclusions, hatred and psychological warfare: It is a place for questions and data. The listener must conclude for themselves!

The lesson I hope anyone who reads this could not possibly take away from my above useless diatribe; it is that the way to open debate and solid conclusion between differing parties is the expansive distribution of first principles questions coupled with facts. Never. Never. Never. does reasonable (read: valuable) debate begin and end with both sides spouting their own conclusions ad nauseum: The easily persuaded have already chosen their side!

For example, if presented with the fact that organic life such as plants provides a feedback mechanism by which more CO2 = more growth = more CO2 sequestering, they may infact start questioning concern of 1" to 1 foot of sea level rise vs. a more abundant food supply.

For a second example, when faced with the fact that H2O vapor is recorded in children's textbooks as one of the strongest possible greenhouse gasses, one may start to question what the hubbub is about CO2 itself and not water vapor as a feedback initiating mechanism.

For a third example.. When someone on the fence comes to a site to explore an issue, and finds a cadre of believers with very little in the way of persuasive argument and very much in the way of "why can't you see what we see...," the author of this comment has little doubt they will choose the gentle message of an Inconvenient Truth. After all.. We're not all scientists. Well, I am, but, I'm using the "royal" we.

Phew. I hope I sound as buffoonish as the behavior I comment on... These comment sections are certainly inspiring!


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This is how I see it: If there is even a 1 percent chance that global warming is real, then we need to take action and try to stop it. If it turns out that humans aren't causing global warming, (It is agreed upon by 99 percent of scientists that global warming exists- the debate is whether humans are causing it.) then we aren't dependent of foreign oil anymore, and won't have to abruptly change when we run out of oil and gas, but if it is real, then there are millions of people who are going to die or be displaced, the world economy will be wrecked- New York, all of Florida, Bangladesh, Venice, the Netherlands- all of these would either be partially or totally flooded. In my opinion, a temporary downturn in the economy is worth it if it prevents all that from happening.

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You see it this way because you have an impression that Global Warming (C) will be a disaster, an immediate cataclysm of man baking in the hot sun, women hiding under rocks, all low-lying points of the earth covered in hungry sea. 1% chance of an immediate disaster is 100% a good reason to try anything to prevent it. Your position on the scare curve is way higher than it needs to be!

In fact, Anthropogenic Global Warming has a number of issues that must be considered.

1) Forcing mechanism
The forcing mechanism which has gained popularity until it is gospel is CO2 concentration. I believe this stems from, conveniently, the movie "An Inconvenient Truth." This may be a "Convenient Oversimplification."
However, CO2 concentration is a weakly understood and weak forcing mechanism for overall heating trends when compared with data of similar statistical significance, like Sun data.
The point of the matter is: How can you "regulate to control Global Warming to prevent disaster" if you haven't really identified the forcing mechanism? What if CO2 is a scapegoat, CO2 is regulated, the world becomes a happy place, but global warming happens anyway cause nobody paid attention to a different gas called X(insert identity here?) The simple fact that must be considered is the science is inconclusive. Only the conclusions are conclusive. That, my friend, is not the basis to create and destroy industries. This information may effect the movement you take on the 'scare curve' every time you see CO2 referenced in the media

2) The severity of the coming cataclysm
The outcome of even extreme EXTREME global warming scenarios, when viewed objectively, is about 3 feet of water level rise in 50 years, global temperature raises on the scale of two degrees (celcius) in the same time frame.
Doomsday prophecies include such considerations as exponential feedback mechanisms which have never been scientifically observed in the history of man. If such feedback loops are entered, we may very well create a situation like the surface of Venus within two to three decades! Or, such a feedback mechanism (whereby more water vapor enters the atmosphere, etc) may very well lead to other negative feedback mechanisms which regulate such happenings. The facts that effect this matter are only that CO2 levels have been higher than currently in the past, and that life still exists. I believe no other pertinent data will every be available until such a feedback mechanism has us in its grip.
The point of the matter is: Statistically evident in the climate models are outcomes of AGW which, even over 50 to 100 year terms, are completely acceptable and in no way represent doomsday prophecies. Conveniently, I may refer again to "An Inconvenient Truth," where SIX METERS of sea level rise and the inevitable end to polar bears gave us all a good piss in our pants about the coming cataclysm: The science which underpins the point of view espoused by the movie makes no such claims -> This should moderate your position on the 'scare curve.'

3) Preventative measures
The third thing to address is preventative measures. Now, one must consider: The largest reason that sites like Global warming hoax exist is because the preventative measures suggested to deal with this phenomena are considered by some segment of the population to be unacceptable. Therefore, in my opinion the truly specific objection to AGW isn't the unsound science/marketing behind it, but more the implied costs.
Lets consider the sociology behind this.
For the purpose of this exercise, the spectrum of preventative measures must be considered to scale from "raising awareness" on the mild end to "attempting to create reflective algae coatings on the ocean surfaces" on the extreme end.
The exercise itself. If you were to plot the average "scare level" of each person on earth (in arbitrary units) against the "acceptance of method" for preventing global warming (in units of % of people accepted,) for each method of prevention hypothesized, I suspect you must frame it around these logical hypotheses:
A) The less scared people are about the consequences of AGW, the less the level of drasticness a preventative measure may have.
1) IE-> If everyone on earth, excluding 100 conspiracy theorists, were convinced they would die tomorrow if AGW wasn't stopped, we would accept the consequences of poisoning the oceans to prevent immediate extinction.
2) IE-> If NO ONE on earth, excluding 100 true believers, were convinced that there would be any consequences to endless AGW, the people attempting to "raise awareness" would be ridiculed universally.
The converse to the above is also true
To examine the political motivations, one may also consider this graph
A) Those that wish to profit from the implementation of preventative measures will wish to raise the scare level
Those that profit from the status quo will wish to lower the scare level
To examine the "general population," IE those with no vested interest and no pre-knowledge
A) They will be evenly distributed around some point along the scare curve at which can be considered the "most popular viewpoint" level
Preventative measures corresponding to the current scare level have a 50/50 chance to be enacted, as it is invariably some sort of normal distribution
C) The population described will be forced by external causes: Scientific debate, mass media and marketing

A) IE-> For example, our convenient "An Inconvenient Truth" espouses doomsday viewpoints and is wildly popular: This will shift the population UP our 'scare curve.'


Having carefully done this exercise, please conclude: Which viewpoint is right and which viewpoint is wrong? Is their AGW? Isn't there?

I suspect that you will find those that benefit from the status quo or from the preventative measures do not care about the "correct" answer to this question: They care about their ability to leverage the population around the 'scare curve' to achieve a particular end.

4) The scientific question

Now, we have our 'scare curve.' There is one external force that will affect this: Scientific outcome. For example, if true scientific consensus becomes that there is AGW and the consequences will be X, Y and Z, the population will immediately redistribute and an associated preventative measure will be chosen by market forces. Easy, simple. If scientific consensus becomes that there is no AGW, then the population will immediately redistribute around a very low scare level, and preventative measures will become prohibitively unprofitable.



Now, I'm not attempting to debunk or reinforce the Global Warming (C) theory here, I would just like to point out that one must think it through in a much more logical nature than "do I like polar bears" or "can I swim really really well," or "do I believe anybody that disagrees with me should be called a 'flat-earther'?" Or even.. "We're ALL GOING TO DIE.." Such thoughts aren't your own thoughts: They come from someone else. Evidence? You're not dead yet. You've already been infected by someone else's persuasive argument, because you have an incorrect assesment of the consequences.

Still hoping to be a buffoon,
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Will the Obama Administration Trigger an Ice Age?No_worries! |08 Feb : 17:25
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This tread as most on the internet prove only one thing. We all think we are smarter than the next guy/girl. when in reality none of us has any clue as to what is happening right now let alone in the future. Until Doc brown shows up in a Delorian, none of us will. So I say we sit back and enjoy the ride.

Will the Obama Administration Trigger an Ice Age?guest_boktop |10 Mar : 13:01
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wow, ALOT of people on here have absolutely NO idea what they are talking about. If this is the general publics knowledge about global warming and science in general then I fear for our future. GO BACK TO SCHOOL. Major in a Science and actually learn something, dont just take business classes and then act like you are somehow educated enough to hold an opinion on any of these issues. my god! you people are ignorant beyond words...BEYOND WORDS!!!

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