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» Emails Refute James Cameron's Reason for Cancelling Global Warming Debate
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» Media Use Crazy Weather to Hype Global Warming, Despite Admissions Weather Isn't Climate
» Andrea Mitchell: I Thought Al Gore Settled the Global Warming Issue
» For Climate Change Piece, ABC's Dan Harris Skips Agenda of Global Warming Scientist
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» New Paper “African Dust Over The Northern Tropical Atlantic: 1955–2008″ By Amato T. Evan and Sujoy Mukhopadhyay (2010)
» Another Paper That Documents The Complexity Of The Climate System – Vautard Et Al 2009
» Release Of The Report “Climate Change Assessments, Review of the Processes & Procedures of the IPCC”
» New Paper On Climate Variability and Trends In The Southwest USA By McCabe Et Al 2010
» Article In Nature “Cold Empties Bolivian Rivers Of Fish” By Anna Petherick
» A Western Governer’s Association Meeting – “Drought, Water, and Climate: Using Today’s Information To Design Tomorrow’s Services”
» Another Human And Natural Climate Forcing – Pyrocumulonimbus Storms
» Comments On The Economist Article “Green View: Could Temperature Be Less Intemperate?”
» New Paper On The Role Of The Long Range Transport Of Mineral Dust And Other Aerosols By Ben-Ami Et Al 2010
» Futher Information On Tree Ring Proxy Data – A Research Paper García-Suárez Et Al 2009
» ICOADS – Hawaii
» A First Look at ICOADS
» Tar and Z
» Back from Erice
» Kriging on a Geoid
» Replicating McShane and Wyner
» The First Difference Method
» Signal to Noise Ratio Estimates of Mann08 Temperature Proxy Data
» Erice 2010
» Briggs on McShane and Wyner
» Stop the Hysteria
» Latest Hurricane Earl Info
» Where are the solar power projects?
» Study: Ammonium as ice core proxy shows strong Medieval Warm Period in the tropics
» Open Sea Ice Thread
» New weather satellite passes shakedown, operational
» Personalized energy systems
» When warmistas attack
» Study: Goodbye to Spanish cold nights
» Global Energy Use in the 21st Century
» UN: Climate funds shouldn’t divert poverty aid
» The untold story of Waxman-Markey: USCAP and the green industrial complex
» Greenpeace wants Facebook center off coal fuel
» Report: Climate science panel needs change at top
» Mongolian Cabinet holds meeting in Gobi desert
» Numbers confirm it: Summer was a scorcher
» Obama’s EPA: School Marms R Us
» National Security Risks of Biofuel Mandates — Corrected*
» Is GOP Opposition to Cap-and-Trade Self-Contradictory?
» Al Gore: the Gift that Keeps on Giving
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The graph above shows the global temperature anomaly since 1979 (blue) and CO2 levels (fuchsia). There is no correlation between CO2 levels and temperatures. There are very strong historic correlations between solar activity and temperatures. Right now our sun is experiencing very mild solar activity, so expect cooler temperatures! The sun image shows current sun spot activity, it is a near real time NASA image (SOHO MDI Latest Image). Click here for an enlarged view from NASA.GOV.
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| » | On the Debunking of Spencer’s Feedback Ideas: An Appeal to Physical Scientists Everywhere
I am seeing increasing chatter about one or more papers that will (or already have) debunked my idea ... |
| » | The IPCC, Tipping Points, and Why Global Warming Must Remain Uncertain
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| » | The Persistence of Paradigms
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| » | Dump the IPCC Process, It Cannot Be Fixed
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| » | Daily Global Temperature Updates on the Discover Website: An Updated Tutorial
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| » | Still Cooling: Sea Surface Temperatures thru August 18, 2010
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| » | Interesting nuances in IPCC groups treatment of New Zealand temperature data
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WCK
02 Sep : 09:48
My last post was mainly meant for the Anon who asked what I did for a living but I have a few more facts to share. Our current grid loses roughly 30% of generated electricity in transmission. Off-grid solutions like Bloom Box eliminates that waste too. Americans hopefully will not be stupid enough to get involved in cap and trade as this would be the same as putting trillions of dollars in a big pile and lighting it on fire. James Hansen has already sent Barack Obama a letter outlining why cap and trade won't lower CO2 output and that is probably why Obama has provided such lackluster support for cap and trade. Analysis of the “large economy” Kyoto members demonstrated the ineffectiveness of cap and trade to reduce CO2. Only one country France with nuclear power has been effective in reducing CO2. Why would we want to send money overseas in some cap and trade scam when we could invest that money in free market solutions here, that will actually work to provide clean cheap energy?
WCK
02 Sep : 09:13
I am an inventor and entrepreneur. I am confident that free market capitalism and the American entrepreneurial spirit will provide cheap clean energy. Here's one example. Average US home = 11,040 kWh/year in electricity = 6.3 tons/year of CO2 for coal powered energy.
Bloom Industries is planning to introduce a 2x3x3 foot sized off-grid unit for about $3,000 that can generate the same 11,040 kWh/year while emitting less than .01 tons/year using NG or Bio gas. Companies like Bay, Google, Fed Ex and Walt Mart already have the $700,000/box commercial sized version. Bay will recoup the cost of their 5 Bloom Boxes within 20 years and factoring in depreciation will cut energy costs by $4 million in that 20 years. It is much more reliable and cheaper than solar or wind and it won't kill birds or need all the water that is needed to keep solar panels clean.
RGB
01 Sep : 23:50
Anon: Think about this one - really think - the Vikings mapped the north coast of Greenland.
stop smoking pot
01 Sep : 17:30
hmm more moister in the atmosphere? I'm in LA not much moister, I know people in Las Vegas,
even less moister
how bout them in Florida with the alleged "AGW" hurricane barreling down, gotta be more moister there.
Moister is like the wind it blows all over the place.
stop smoking pot
01 Sep : 17:23
Anon who says I got anything from ...the "drrreaded" Fox News?... "EVIL disseminators of more then one side of a story." (must be crushed) Perhaps they got it from me?WCK wow! Lee? Perhaps another
typical registered democrat? This should really take fire, and show just how crazy the environmental movement has become. All seems to go back to the "AGENDA"
of depopulating the earth I'm glad the cops started with him.
wck
01 Sep : 17:22
there not their
WCK
01 Sep : 17:20
i"...it is physics. warmer temperatures carry more moister."Anon - I'm glad you finally want to discuss the science. Are you saying that their is more moisture in the atmosphere?
WCK
01 Sep : 16:47
Police shoot and kill enviro alarmist. He wanted to save the planet.<Lee said at the time that he experienced an ‘‘awakening” when he watched former Vice President Al Gore’s environmental documentary ‘‘An Inconvenient Truth.”>

George Carlin had some insight about people who want to save the planet.

Anonymous
01 Sep : 16:31
so how does any of the prove AGW is a hoax? all it proves is that you are an idiot who believes everything he hears on fox news.
stop smoking pot
01 Sep : 15:07
When I was a kid I lived in New Orleans "early 60's" I survived bigger hurricanes then Katrina. Poor upkeep of the levees are not the cause of "AGW"Why don't you go help the flood victims... You do know that they are attacking non- Moslems for helping them so bring an M-16.
And after you man up and find your D&B's, do like the scarecrow and find a brain.
Again, you seem to think the weather events during your life time are some how worse than the past weather... Are you some how special or deserve special punishment?
Or do you think the weather is out to get you because of the sins of your ancestors?
Anonymous
01 Sep : 12:00
pot smoker. it is physics. warmer temperatures carry more moister. but it's o.k. I know you don't understand physics.
this year has been full of events. (aka evidence) 1 percent rise is a big deal.
man up?? tell that to the survivors of Katrina, or the survivors of the Pakistan floods.
why don't you man up and travel there to help the flood victims out?
maybe then you'd get a taste of the real world effects that are actually occurring. 1% is a huge deal when talking in terms of global events.
Hey wck. what studies have you done? what do you do for a living? how many blog posts by idiots to you read instead of reading scientific literature?
err on the good
31 Aug : 23:21
or thaw the Alaskan permafrost
err on the good
31 Aug : 23:16
and melt thousnds of years of snow from kilimanjaro
err on the good
31 Aug : 21:49
hurts eh? if i'm wrong the oil consumption goes down...if you are wrong you fund terrorist
must be impossible to admit
31 Aug : 21:31
your a parrot for saudi arabia
Anonymous
31 Aug : 21:25
readers notice the non denial of the fact fox news is backed by oil money
WCK
31 Aug : 19:12
"There is growing empirical evidence that warming temperatures cause more intense hurricanes, heavier rainfalls and flooding, increased conditions for wildfires and dangerous heat waves."Anon - again you claim that the above is " your point". This is now the third time I've caught you plagerizing the "Skeptical Science" blog. I consider that to be enough emperical evidence that you are a lying dirtbag troll presenting the words of others as your own.

I would appreciate it if you could please identify yourself as "plagerizing dirtbag troll" in the future? Thanks in advance.
stop smoking pot
31 Aug : 17:51
Anon: There's is no evidence that warmer world wide weather causes more intense hurricanes flooding or wild fires. we are talking on average less then 1 degree rise in 100 years.A 1 degree average lowering of world wide temperature could be said to have these effects. You act like the weather we have is some how worse then our great grandfathers, or something. Man up boy, you're a wimp.
Anonymous
31 Aug : 16:43
really? floods and droughts have been with us for all time? i did not know that. thank you for informing me of that. I wasn't smart enough to figure that out.Now, back to my point:
There is growing empirical evidence that warming temperatures cause more intense hurricanes, heavier rainfalls and flooding, increased conditions for wildfires and dangerous heat waves.
Anonymous
31 Aug : 16:39
so how about some balance to your record perth temperature:Global warming is a reality already with us. The 1990s were the warmest decade on record, about 0.6 of a degree celcius (°C) warmer than 100 years ago. Australia has warmed by 0.7 °C between 1910 – 1999, with most of this increase occurring since 1950 (CSIRO, 2001).
the average for all of Australia is higher, regardless of your one record cold temperature in Perth.
stop smoking pot
31 Aug : 13:05
Anon: The great lake temps are all suspect in accuracy at this point or do you only watch CNN? Floods and droughts have been with us for all time the propaganda used to say they are record anything is also suspect. Since accurate records are suspect for most of this because they've been gathering this stuff for only a few hundred years and the gathering process have evolved and changed during that time.Climactically or geologically who's to say what's what or who's on first?
WCK
31 Aug : 12:49
Oops I forgot about Perth weather. "Winter records set in Perth"
"A winter record was also set with the mean minimum temperature for the three months hitting 6.4C."

If you only focus on hot weather that can not be attributed to man you might be a catastrophic warming hypochondriac. lol
Anonymous
31 Aug : 12:32
and another thing fox news is a holding of a saudi oil magnate..hmm.could it be he bought his share of the news
Anonymous
31 Aug : 12:29
WCK your post admits the warming..cherry picking? Warming is good.
WCK
31 Aug : 11:51
Here
is Lake Superior as monitored by MSU. When you check/click on the map for temperatures you get this warning:NOTICE (8/11/2010) Due to degradation of a satellite sensor used by this mapping product, some images have exhibited extreme high and low surface temperatures. Please disregard these images as anomalies. Future images will not include data from the degraded satellite and images caused by the faulty satellite sensor will be/have been removed from the image archive.
I really can't refute data that is admittedly unreliable due to sensor degradation possibly for as long as ten years. I'm not a miracle worker.
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// Font Size - Increase / Decrease / Reset Sea ice at Antarctica is up over 43% since 1980 and we hear nothing in the news, yet Arctic ice is down less than 7% and they're all over it! We've been waiting for the main stream media to pick up on the increase of Antarctic ice but so far they're been totally absent. Guess its doesn't fit the plan.
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Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?Denny
|05 Apr : 23:45 | |
Registered: 11 May : 12:38 Reply to this | No, because they are picking this up over at Fox News! Massive Ice Shelf about to Break away from Antarctic Coast by AP. Gee, I thought this is how Glaciers are made after the snow builds up and turns into Ice and then pushes it out over the Continent and into the Sea. If I get my Earth History right, UH, this has been going on for what, Millions of years. Yet Alarmists think that a .5 degree Celceius per what 100 years caused this!!! I haven't seen much ado about the latest Ice growth reports out there in the Internet! Obama is taking all the Glory right now, Admin.. |
Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?dontaliaferro@yahoo.com |06 Apr : 11:51 | |
| Guest Reply to this | Facts will always kill the Libs in any debate, but the drive-bys keep the Libs on the front page. Bankruptcy of some of these slugs doesn't seem such a bad idea. |
Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?Indy Republican |06 Apr : 17:55 | |
| Guest Reply to this | I guess this is the big deal environmental crisis that "The Messiah" needs to convince us to use swirly lightbulbs. It's amazing how the media freak out whenever they see ice melting. |
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Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?February |06 Apr : 22:52 | |
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Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?they're looking for evidence, maybe? |06 Apr : 23:01 | |
| Guest Reply to this | ![]() "from 1979 to 2007, Antarctic sea ice underwent a slight increase. The Antarctic ice extent increases were smaller in magnitude than the Arctic increases, and some regions of the Antarctic experienced strong declining trends in sea ice extent. See the Arctic Sea Ice FAQ for more information. Image provided by National Snow and Ice Data Center, University of Colorado, Boulder." ![]() |
Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?R.Danneskjöld
|07 Apr : 09:56 | |
Reply to this | The link in the article above is from NSIDC. It shows from 1980 to 2009 an increase of over 43% in antarctic sea ice. Are they calling this "a slight increase". I would call that highly significant. -- Ragnar, Pirating for Freedom |
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Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?Flanagan |07 Apr : 11:22 | |
| Guest Reply to this | Here is the REAL NSIDC trend![]() rate is (4.7 +- 4.4) % - in other words, 10 times less than what is proclaimed here. UNLESS one carefully selects some of the points to make people think otherwise. Manipulation? |
Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?R.Danneskjöld
|07 Apr : 12:43 | |
Reply to this | Flanagan, nothing was "carefully selected". The month of March was selected because that was the most current month of available data. Comparing the month of March 2009 to the month of March 1980 seems perfectly legitimate to me! The chart you linked to shows the anomaly. Exactly what period did they use to decide what is "normal". It also shows the yearly average. You're comparing apples to oranges and it comes up smelling like a worm. If anyone is manipulating things its you manipulating this discussion. For the month of March 2009 had 43% more ice extent (and 45% ice concentration) than 1980. And it isn't just March, this site has been running this data for several months now and its showing a clear trend of a massive increase in antarctic sea ice. Stop diverting the subject every time someone brings up a point. -- Ragnar, Pirating for Freedom |
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Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?Anonymous |07 Apr : 14:10 | |
| Guest Reply to this | Dannes, is it me or you have problems with reading basic information. The graph says "March anomalies", so it's about March exactly. If you take 1980 and 2009 as the only two points (for "some" reason) then you get the numbers mentioned in the post. But this is not how a trend is done of course. Comparing two points makes no sense as long as climate is concerned. For example, if I "decide" to compare 1982 and 2007, I can get a declining trend. (see the link) The long term trend is what counts, and obvious : 4.7%. That's it. I'm not diverting the subject at all : the topic is here "how much has been the trend" The answer is 4.7% Any other manipulation of the data is an inslut to the scientific method. |
Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?Anonymous |09 Apr : 12:52 | |
| Guest Reply to this | "The answer is 4.7% Any other manipulation of the data is an inslut to the scientific method." Agreed. This site should focus on the fact that there is more ice, not cherry pick points to exaggerate a point.. the very same tactic you're supposed to be opposing. |
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Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?stan |09 Apr : 12:53 | |
| Guest Reply to this | A vast conspiracy is at work. |
Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?Anonymous |09 Apr : 12:56 | |
| Guest Reply to this | If you compare the month of September between 2008 and 1980 you get the opposite results. It appears the increase in March results is due to thinner ice that is more spread out as a result of melting.![]() So just more cherry picking of data to keep the flat-earthers heads in the sand. |
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Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?Anonymous |09 Apr : 23:08 | |
| Guest Reply to this | "Come on you can do better than that!" Why should I? I just showed you up to be a kook who goes on about the 'mainstream media' and the 'Vast Global Warming Conspiracy". |
Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?J |10 Apr : 01:31 | |
| Guest Reply to this | Is this a conservative site if it is there is political behind it |
Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?Anonymous |10 Apr : 07:44 | |
| Guest Reply to this | Read the unedited political history people. The Club of Rome said back in the 80s/90s that they had 'hit upon the idea of global warming to unite the people' behind their agenda (ie. one world government/one world bank/carbon tax credits). Wake up! The enviromental movement has been hijacked and used and abused for years by the power elite in their pursuit of a world wide collectivism. Global warming (or climate change as it has morphed into) is nothing more than the latest faith based religion! |
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Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?Anonymous |10 Apr : 11:23 | |
| Guest Reply to this | Global Warming Hoax or not . . . . I think the part of the message coming from the Crips (Libs) . . is not all that bad. What's wrong with a little conservation. Someone had mentioned the "Swirly Light" . . . Absolutely nothing wring with conserving some energy. Taxing conservation . . now that sucks. Don't beat up efforts of people who really want to make a difference in the planets energy consumption, because of some silly "Bloods vs. Crips" Political gang mentality. I say taxing any type of effort sucks . . . . Bashing anybody who says "Hey maybe we should't use as much electricity or oil or coal to benefit the earth . . . That sucks too. There is a simple fact. Our Earth's resources are finite. Stuff will eventually run out. Do we wait for that to happen . . . or do we start making efforts today. Wow I totally sound like a commercial. Maybe I'm brain washed . . . Or maybe I am actually using my brain and not taking sides with the Gang mentality. Conservatives . . . Bloods Liberals . . . Crips Whatever! |
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Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?Shii |10 Apr : 21:53 | |
| Guest Reply to this | Global warming is a joke. The entirety of the issue is fallacious by very nature. Causality is what everyone should pay attention too. If something changes, and something else does afterwards, that DOES NOT mean that the first caused the second. That's just a basic tenet of science. If I put my pants on backwards today and then I end up getting in a car wreck, does it mean my pants influenced my bad luck? Of course not. A shift in CO2 and a shift in climate are just as related. But far be it from the liberals to admit that they don't know everything about how the planet works. They're too busy worshipping a charismatic hollow suit. |
Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?geir |11 Apr : 06:48 | |
| Guest Reply to this | Note that the sea ice in the Antarctic is on average 1-2m thick and in the Arctic it is 3-4m thick, so the data is noisier (and less significant in terms of ice volume) for the Antarctic. If you have a very noisy data set and pick just two points, you can find data to support any conclusion you want! You need to average many data points before you can spot a trend. If you do a confidence test on the entire data set, you will find no statistically significant trend in the Antarctic data, and a declining trend in the Arctic data. Arctic vs Antarctic. |
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Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?Anonymous |11 Apr : 07:51 | |
| Guest Reply to this | Yeah, I'm pretty convinced that global warming is a hysteric exageration of the facts, but this site is hardly unbiased either. You are just as one-sided as the supposed liberal conspiracy you're trying to disprove. Oh, and a hint to you all. Liberals =/= Commies. In my country, the liberals are the right wing opposition to the social democrats, who are more left leaning yet no commies either. |
Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?stringer |13 Apr : 19:14 | |
| Guest Reply to this | see submission number two at![]() |
Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?Neil |14 Apr : 01:06 | |
| Guest Reply to this | measuring ice coverage with no discussion of the thickness is silly It also ignores the The first-ever gravity survey of the entire Antarctic ice sheet, conducted using data from the NASA/German Aerospace Center Gravity Recovery and Climate Experiment (Grace), concludes the ice sheet's mass has decreased significantly. Pictures with no real reference are lies. |
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Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?Clothcap |14 Apr : 11:03 | |
| Guest Reply to this | According to the University of Illinois, Antarctic sea ice area is nearly 30% above normal and the anomaly has reached 1,000,000 km2. According to NSIDC, over the last 30 years Antarctic sea ice extent has been growing at a rate of nearly 5% per decade, and set a record maximum last year. ![]() |
Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?Cal |14 Apr : 17:34 | |
| Guest Reply to this | Rhodes Fairbridge was right but we should have been conserving energy yonks ago to save our lungs... |
Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?where is the media - you make me laugh |15 Apr : 12:18 | |
| Guest Reply to this | the media wouldn't use this bogus site for a source of science. you MUST be kidding!!! |
Non-ScientistsNeil |17 Apr : 08:19 | |
| Guest Reply to this | The article sounds like somebody commenting on a subject that's way out of his depth, who doesn't know enough baby science to interpret facts properly, or even use a graph, and who is too chicken to recognize his way of "life" is completely divorced from any sustainable ecological principles. |
Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?Mycroft |21 Apr : 15:07 | |
| Guest Reply to this | What's wrong with believing in a Christian God? Good morals, good ethics, peaceful. So if you believe in good morals, good ethics, and peace then you should absolutely believe in God! It's the same with this argument...first of all, the fact that there IS an argument is reason enough to continue research before building policy around a belief system. And I'm sure very few have a problem accepting that over time all forms of pollution are detrimental over time and we should do our part to make sure that the planet we leave our children is worth living in. But these are not good arguments for the existence of man-made climate change and belief in one shouldn't mean you have to subscribe to another. If this is a scientific matter, why should we take it on faith? |
Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?lincoln24 |22 Apr : 11:26 | |
| Guest Reply to this | Okay people, does it really matter if Global Warming exists at all or not? The point is about making our society more earth friendly. The earth is what keeps us alive and we should not be polluting it with our smog and carbon dioxide. We must do all we can to help our friend "the earth" and that is what it is all about. Even if Global Warming is a big hoax, i do not see a difference between this and telling people that eating a diet high in fat and sugar can cause a heart attack. It is not proven that eating such things will CAUSE a heart attack, however, there is a strong correlation. Although it may not be proven, it keeps people eating healthy foods and that is important. Who cares why they do it, as long as they do. As long as people do everything they can to help this earth, who cares why they are doing it? I bought a Brita pitcher and recycle the filters, instead of buying bottled water, and I also bought all new appliances for my home that use less energy. I drive a hybrid and am considering solar panels for my home. I do all of these things not necessarily because of Global Warming, but because I fell it is my duty to do everything in my power to help this beautiful earth that gives me life. Yes, it did take the threat of Global Warming to realize that my selfish actions could have consequences and, since it helps me to do the best I can for the planet, and since it makes other people in this world do the best for the planet, I am glad that this "hoax" exists, if that is what you would like to call it. |
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Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?xlr8r123 |22 Apr : 19:06 | |
| Guest Reply to this | Im so sick of this Hoax libral money grabbing vote getting issue. It is a true hoax. How about stopping all those Icebreaking expidition ships that study this hoax that break up that ice every day. No, lets focus on taxing us to death and putting mure regulations on America while China focuses on creating jobs, buying and using oil and coal and kicking our ecomnys ass... Lets get smart and vote out all these libral hoaxters. Gosh......! |
Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?Octavio |24 Apr : 13:54 | |
| Guest Reply to this | "Lets get smart and vote out all these libral hoaxters. Gosh......!" Yes, that's a good idea. However, I have a better one. Study science (chemistry and physics for instance) and understand what is going on with global warming. By the way, I went to web site recommended here (National Snow and Ice Data Center's web) and the core of the study (Arctic sea ice younger, thinner as melt season begins) supports the existence of global warming. Or, maybe I just don't know how to read. |
Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?Octavio |24 Apr : 14:34 | |
| Guest Reply to this | "Facts will always kill the Libs in any debate, but the drive-bys keep the Libs on the front page. Bankruptcy of some of these slugs doesn't seem such a bad idea." I wonder, is this implies that wealthy republicans are to blame for the current economical crisis, but that is besides the point. Anyway, the liberals that you would like to see bankrup are more likely to support tax money going to scientific research; therefore, determining more facts that you can use to win over debates. Also, this research can continue disproving global warming . As technology advances it becomes easier and easier to prove to the public how wrong scientists have been. CO2 is after all a very difficult molecule to undertand (not really lol!) . Maybe with the new research you can also prove that evolution is also a myth, that the polar bears are actually multiplying like bunnies, that the current rates of plant and animal extinctions are not real, that overfishing is not anthropogenic, and that deforestation for building roads is not caused by humans. You let the world know the truth! |
Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?Anonymous |24 Apr : 14:50 | |
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Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?Anonymous |24 Apr : 15:05 | |
| Guest Reply to this | This is funny, if you click on this link LOL The article clearly shows a pattern in support of overall heat increase! If you want to dissprove global warming you should use one of the articles writen by one of the sicentists that received money from Exxon Mobil. Or at least be more obscure in how you manipulate scientific articles. |
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Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?gr8inferno |28 Apr : 14:00 | |
| Guest Reply to this | umm. let's say hypothetically 4.7% is correct. I'm scratching my head here, isn't that an increase? definitely not a decrease? |
Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?JustMe |06 May : 15:49 | |
| Guest Reply to this | Reading all the above I am remined of the three blind men and the elephant (various versions but to keep it short...) While walking they bumped into an elephant. The first reached out and grabbing the tail said this it was a huge vine, the second reached out and grabbing the leg said it was a tree, the third reaching out grabbed the trunk and said it was a snake. In all science, you will find the one fact that will prove what ever point you want. The wise person will look at all the facts, find the common ground, define cause and effect and then form a conclusion rather than start with a conclusion and work backwards. Doing this, the fact of global warning can't be ignored, even with SHORT TERM trends to the contrary. CO2 is a green house gas, the more the warmer the climate, CO2 in the air now is higher than for thousands of years (check out any college meteorology text book, if not the internet). The CO2 we are burning now in the form of oil, gas, coal is carbon formed from the plants millions of years ago. It took millions of years to lock that CO2 made by plants in those states (oil, gas, coal) and now we are releasing it into the air in a period of a 100 years or so. That may be an equilibrium for the earth (geologic time measured in millions of years) but for humans and our civilization where time is measured in generations (50-100 years) that is NOT a stable situation. Antarctic may be expanding now but what about the rest of the word. Where here is there mention of the North Pole ice melting, and almost every (if not every) glacial system receding at unprecedented levels, (the Andes, Himalayas, Greenand). Where here is there mention of the sea level rise in the Polynesian islands? Where here is there mention of the permafrost melting under Alaskan towns? Where is there mention here that botanists are documenting a shift of plant growth to higher, previously colder, elevations? Could it be that Antarctica, the coldest place on the planet, is reaping the benefit of warming everywhere else? Could it be that warmer air is holding more moister and when it reaches the cold place on the planet, the Antarctic, drops that moisture in the form of snow, allowing the Antarctic to grow? There are other cycles, precession, sun spots, the non circular orbit of the earth. Although these may be relevant for climate changes in distant geologic time, they do not explain the rapid changes observed in the last 50-100 years. Mind like parachute... |
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Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?JustMe |06 May : 16:20 | |
| Guest Reply to this | More... The article's original author says: "If you have doubts about the increase in ice you can run the numbers yourself at the National Snow and Ice Data Center's website (part of the University of Colorado and funded by the National Science Foundation)." The link is a classic example of choosing the data to support the hypothesis. Any user, however, can change the display parameters from "Southern" to "Northern" and will find data supporting the LOSS of ice. Play with the site, compare years, compare winter and summer to different decades. NORTHERN data support global warming persectivee. But again, to look at only this data in exclusion of all others, is no argument for any perpsective. And if you're wondering if more CO2 and global warming is a good thing, email someone living near a coast or in the arctic. I myself would prefer to live a few hundred miles off shore, less likely to have flood or drought. |
Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?JustMe |06 May : 16:34 | |
| Guest Reply to this | more... Check out this link and click on the film, methane and the risk of even fasting global warming. ![]() |
Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?FollowTheFacts_ |07 May : 11:07 | |
| Guest Reply to this | Bias is no issue here. Climate science is not even an issue. Take the raw data, relabel it time and x. Take the data set to anybody qualified and ask what can be validly said about change in x over time. The answer is not 43% increase. |
Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?Anonymous |12 May : 16:30 | |
| Guest Reply to this | It scares me that people who believe this website exist. I have always been told never to under estimate a large group of stupid people! |
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Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?Dagny_Taggart |20 May : 10:53 | |
| Guest Reply to this | Such foolishness. Come on, Ragnar (Ayn Rand would be ashamed of you), admit that you misunderstood the study and change the title of the post. This is exactly the type of misleading pseudo-science you're apparently opposed to. |
Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?student |23 Jun : 12:48 | |
| Guest Reply to this | [censored] yoiun guys, you aren't any help. im trying to do a project against global warming and the stupid teacher doen't wanna give us another laptop to work on it. now im bored and gonna flip you all off bcuz i cant find a decent website that is against global warming. so [censored] you guys! 8=====D~~ |
Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?thjones51 |29 Jun : 19:02 | |
| Guest Reply to this | I don't know anything about the antartic ice cap, but I know that for the last 5 years my hometown of Paducah, KY. has had the worst winters with the most snow ever on record! I have a very hard time buying into this global warming fabrication. Also if you happen to break one of those curly light bulbs, you will release mercury into the environment and must, by law, contact the EPA and they will advise you on the eight steps that you must take to minimize the spread of the mercury. Funny how these are only made out of the contry?? Just another bembocratic hoax to save the environment IMHO. |
Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?JohnCr
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| Comments: 1 Registered: 13 Jul : 20:55 Reply to this | This whole global warming thing became for me a hoax after the supposed meeting of 2600 scientists an a UN sponsored conference and they announced the majority of them agreed that global warming was man made. When the actual vote was exposed less then 5% of those attending had agreed. It seems to me that scientists go to these conferences but pay no attention to the media out put. |
Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?onefish |11 Aug : 23:55 | |
| Guest Reply to this | This article has an interesting idea. I've gone to the site noted, and changed the years around in order to see the data output for myself. The output table can be modified in order to show more than one data point, so I've plugged in a different year in all 32 of the possible different rows showing March. After examing the data for the month of March for the last 31 years (no data in 1978) one trend that I notice is that extent has exceeded the median for the year in all but 4 of those year's data collection for March. A median isn't an average, it's the center point for all of the data. March is the end of summer in Antartica, warmer month right? Some months in each of those years had less ice, some had more ice. The OBVIOUS fact is in the SINGLE month of March in 1980 there was LESS ice than there was in March of 2009. It's been nearly 30 years, our planet has become more industrialized, more pollution, more cutting down trees, etc, etc... You'd think from a logical viewpoint there would be LESS ice in March of 2009 than in March of 1980. Global warming is controversial and fake. It's easy to argue about made-up things, let's argue about the actual color of grass being blue not green, I've seen blue-grass before!!! Or the color of the sky being purple, not blue, since I've seen purple skies before. It's all about how the data is presented. |
Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?Anonymous |24 Aug : 17:06 | |
| Guest Reply to this | this is already known and has a scientific explanation: ![]() |
Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?Silentmime4 |03 Nov : 21:49 | |
| Guest Reply to this | Wow, i think that the temperature of earth may be increasing, but i don't believe that we have a lot to do with it. People should not be taxed on carbon. Do they even know what the main components of our atmoshpere are? However, i believe that we need to take care of this beautiful planet that God created. If that means driving hybrids, using solar panels and planting trees, let's do so. It is our duty to try to keep the beauty of this world intact. What right do we have to destroy it> |
Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?lsboogy |23 Nov : 23:48 | |
| Guest Reply to this | C'mon people - don't be like they are. The data only shows a 0.8% per decade trend - but it is on the positive. I think the data shows increase only in the Ross Sea, but this is still legitimate. The more BS science we run into this, the less likely we are to be take seriously. let the data show what is really going on here - otherwise we are the same as the cap and trade people. |
Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?AnotherOldGoat |24 Nov : 04:29 | |
| Guest Reply to this | Funny or not! In the early 70's there was a concern about returning to the ice age. Then, as now, extremist are trying to capture their 15 minutes of fame. Why is this? Is it a diversion to more important problems or issues? Before you jump fully into something you must study those attempting to convince you of something and also their habits. People that truly believe what they say will change thier habits to conform to those beliefs. Now have you seen those changes in the leaders of the global warming scare. A word to the wise may be. What is being sold and what is being bought. Money is in there somewhere!!!!!!!!! |
Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?criticalMind |08 Dec : 19:22 | |
| Guest Reply to this | Not sure what the point of this article is, or what it intends to improve -- that there's no such thing as global warming?! So there's a difference in Antarctic sea ice between 1980 and 2009 -- it's just one data comparison. Other date comparisons show much smaller differences in Antarctic ice extents. Still average Antarctic temperatures have risen slightly over the last 30 years. And there are more dramatic declines in ARCTIC sea ice, as well as higher increases of average temperature in the Arctic. Not to mention many other considerations such as worldwide deglaciation, increased Greenland surface ice melting, thawing tundra regions, and so on. Looking at the bigger picture, there is actual and predicted sea level rise, increased atmospheric moisture, etc. Also, the dramatic CO2 rise (indisputably anthropogenic in its source) contributes to ocean acidification, which in turn threatens coral reefs. There are many facts to consider as other commentors have pointed out. Be objective, be intellectually honest, look at all the facts, and don't succumb to political posturing. IT's ABOUT THE SCIENCE. |
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Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?criticalMind |11 Dec : 20:55 | |
| Guest Reply to this | (nb. In the lighthearted spirit of honest dialogue...) Now what are you saying? That these effects are not happening? The cherry-picking of a single data comparison is completely inconclusive to the determination of global warming (intellectually honest people call the political motive a "red herring." The conclusion you draw is based on a "false equivalency" due to the limited explanatory value of the Antarctic data compared to data all over the world -- eg, it ignores the substantial warming in the Arctic. I agree the so-called climateGate emails are disturbing and the players involved deserve our censure. But a global conspiracy of 1000s of scientists?? The best response to this is that at the end of the day it's the SCIENCE will win out. I'm betting on the scientific method. BTW, the statement about US temperatures is a fabrication (http://climateprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/ncdc-temp.gif). (And please don't end a sentence with a preposition These global changes are not due to .5 degrees (that's just in the Antarctic), but 3-4F in the Arctic regions, 1.2F overall to date. The fact is they many warming effects are happening and have been measured as listed above, not to mention ... "lake and river ice is melting earlier in the spring and forming later in the fall. Plants are blooming earlier in the spring. Mountain glaciers are melting. Coastal temperatures are rising. And a multitude of species of birds, fish, mammals, insects and plants are extending their ranges northward and, in mountainous areas, upward as well." -NOAA -cm |
Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?Chuckle |16 Dec : 22:55 | |
| Guest Reply to this | Ok so statistics can be manipulated but so any information out there today. Here are the facts I see. A. One point we see melting and loss in the ice meaning for "some" reason its warmer. B. One point we see freezing and a growth in ice, meaning in this area its WARMER? NO meaning its colder. Thus is why you hear now "climate change" Because no one not even the scientists can come together to state things are warming or cooling. If Global warming was true then that means its global people.. Apparently its not global or we would see a loss at both points. There are many factors that cause this planet to become cool or to heat up.. To state that a rise in c02 is the total cause of the warming trend in the north would be incorrect. So many factors are involved to narrow it down to this is extreme, does that mean I as a conservative believe we should continue to pollute? No, I want fresh water for the future people on this planet.. Does this mean I want to see scare tactics used to bring fear into people into the same belief? NO.. This I would call terrorism.. We should be concerned for our planet and do what we can to cut down pollution as a whole, not due to climate change because as humans we cannot control what this earth will do with us. We have an affect I am sure but to the extent some are saying would be incorrect if you look at numbers from multiple sources. Jet fuel... Just this right here, when it burns it produces 50% Co2 and 50%moisture.. Scientists do agree on one thing.. Moisture in the air holds in heat, the amout of jet fuel being burned daily on this planet puts more moisture into the air in one day than we have put Co2 in our existance... This is one of the variables that is taken into consideration when scientists are calculating along with hundreds of others... So to try and pin point one aspect of what we do to this planet as the problem is crazy.. We pump billions of gallons of oil out of the ground.. Could this possibly be a problem? Possibly taking out some insulation that protects us from the heat of the earths core? I mean this garbage could go on forever.. Bottom line is, do what you can for the enviornment. Shut of your lights, recycle, walk or ride a bike if possible. To devistate economy's of the world over something that has yet to have any real proof or concensus is just wrong and is a control tactic. Those with thier hands out expecting something for nothing, expecting someone else to take care of them look to the powers at be to do so.. One problem, eventually the money runs out and then who is going to take care of you? Someone has to work.. People are not free thinkers anymore, they are in school when they watch the news rather than taking real facts and forming an opinion.. BIG picture people.. Man has wanted what since the beginning.. POWER, CONTROL.. If you look at what is going on in the world and how things repeat themselves you will see what is really going on.. USA in the 30's same thing was happening as is now, yet there are some differences. 7% of the population that could work accepted public assistnace. Now 39% of the population that can work but doesnt accepts public assistance. We have more than doubled our numbers as humans.. This math is bad.. poor people are people that are controlled. Do you want your children to have ambition and work for something or do you want them to sit and wait for someone else to take care of them? Before the US became a free country to explore and create this world was stuck behind a horse and a cart.. In just 200 years look where the world is, that is because of free thinking, the given ability to advance.. There is no reason it should not have happend 500 years ago, nothing was different, still the same cart and horse, still the same people.. what was the difference? Peoples right to free think, create, advance.. Yet that gives people power, dictators/kings want to control not give power.. We need to continue to advance. In the future if this garbage does not turn around I will be able to say " I told ya so, you wanted it and now you got it" to those with thier hands out.. Power/control.. fear tactics/terrorism... Two economic groups, rich/poor.. My income was considered upper middle class 10 years ago and now it is considered working class poor and I could go on public assistance.. Wake up... Cap in trade does nothing for the economy, we can be green because its good for the earth.. not due to scare tactics.. I want a hybrid, 25k for a hybrid.. hmm my income does not support it.. If it was so important why so costly? Who stands to loose if we become greener... Smoke screens make you dumb and distract you from the truths. GL everyone |
Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?12_year_old_girl |24 Mar : 23:02 | |
| Guest Reply to this | listen you dorks stop saying your proving global climate change wrong because it gets colder. global warming is caused greenhouse gases that HUMANS made with CARS and FACTORIES wich goes up into the atmesphere and traps the suns heat. it can also get colder because the gulf stream will be deflected by the freshwater coming of the glaciers wich is why it was changed to global CLIMATE CHANGE instead of warming so get youre facts strait you rightie |
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