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» “AP IMPACT: Statisticians reject global cooling”

» Baffling Island

» The Ups and Downs of Methane

» Antarctic Ice Melt at Lowest Levels in Satellite Era

» UNEP Report—Deception Starts with the Cover
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NewsBusters - Global Warming

» Has ClimateGate Changed Obama's Global Warming Strategy?

» Inhofe Ambushed on CNBC's 'The Kudlow Report' by Fill-in Host over ClimateGate

» ClimateGate Ignored, Again -- Broadcast Nets Go with State Dinner Menu, Sea Lions and Pete the Moose

» LAT Breaking: Obama Going to Copenhagen, No Mention of Climategate

» ClimateGate Smoking Gun Found, American Thinker Does Media's Job

» Bozell Column: When the Press Favors Secrecy

» Glenn Beck Cites NewsBusters to Bash TV's ClimateGate Boycott

» Minnesotans For Global Warming: The ClimateGate Music Video

» A Tale of Two Leaks: NYT Bashed Palin, But Won't Touch ClimateGate

» Networks That Jumped at Complaints About a ‘Deniers’ ‘Conspiracy’ Now Silent About Left’s Global Warming Distortions

» ClimateGate Totally Ignored By TV News Outlets Except Fox

» G-Warming Promoter 'Dismayed and Deeply Shaken' by ClimateGate

» Glenn Beck Skewers Scientists Involved In ClimateGate

» WaPo: Climate Schemers 'Under Attack' By Skeptics Who Dare to Question

» NY Times Tackles Damning Global Warming Emails, But Also Reveals Own Hypocrisy

» LA Times Changes Its Mind: Science Doesn't Matter On Climate Bill

» Saturday Funnies: Inhofe Tells Boxer 'We Won, You Lost, Get a Life'

» NYT Environmental Writer Confirms Probable Authenticity of Hacked Climate Change Messages

» Possible Conspiracy To Falsify Temperature Data Uncovered

» Big Hack Attack: Global Warming Exposed as 'Globaloney'?

» Al Gore Proposes Using Supercomputer Projections to Scare People on Global Warming

» Al Gore Photoshops Hurricanes Into New Book's Cover

» Gainor Column: Ready to Pay Your $6 Trillion 'Climate Justice' Bill?

» Notable Quotables Comedy Show Bonus Footage!

» Al Gore Speech Venue Graffitied: 'Don't Buy False Solutions'
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Science and Public Policy Institute

» SPPI Monthly CO2 Report: October

» The IPCC can't count its "Expert Scientists": Author and Reviewer Numbers are Wrong

» Not Finding Any, Gore Airbrushes Hurricanes For His New Book

» Climate Science Corrupted

» An Open Letter to the Council of American Physical Society

» Prince Charles Tries to Stamp Out Scientific Debate, Says SPPI

» Joe Romm's Vicious and Partisan Climate McCarthyism

» An Epidemic of OCD: Obsessive Carbon Dogma

» Scenes from the Climate Inquisition

» Cap-and-Trade Mirage
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Climate Science: Roger Pielke Sr. Research Group

» E-mail Documentation Of The Successful Attempt By Thomas Karl Director Of the U.S. National Climate Data Center To Suppress Biases and Uncertainties In the Assessment Surface Temperature Trends

» An Erroneous Statement Made By Phil Jones To The Media On The Independence Of The Global Surface Temperature Trend Analyses Of CRU, GISS And NCDC

» Protecting The IPCC Turf – There Are No Independent Climate Assessments Of The IPCC WG1 Report Funded And Sanctioned By The NSF, NASA Or The NRC – A Repost Of And Comment On A January 13 2009 post

» Beware Saviors! By Demetris Koutsoyiannis

» Comment On The Post “Enemies Caught In Action!” On The Blackboard

» Comment On The Hacking Of The CRU Website

» Misrepresentation Of Scientific Consensus By The Leadership Of Professional Organizations

» Land Use As Climate Change Mitigation by Brian Stone

» Climate Change Survey Of Weathercasters

» Comments On Meehl Et Al 2009 On Trends In Record High And Low Temperatures
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Climate Audit

» camirror.wordpress.com

» The Deleted Portion of the Briffa Reconstruction

» Curry: On the credibility of climate research
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Watts Up With That?

» Mann has a new paper: he apparently discovers the Medieval Warm Period

» IPCC reviewer: “don’t cover up the divergence”

» McIntyre: The deleted data from the “Hide the Decline” trick

» Climategate: Stuart Varney “lives with Ed”

» Climategate: Pielke Senior on the NCDC CCSP report – “strong arm tactics”

» Warwick Hughes shows how Jones selections put bias in Australian Temperatures

» Ripples of Climategate? Liberal MP’s desert Turnbull in Australia over emissions trading scheme

» Climategate: CATO’s Pat Michaels and Center for American Progress Dan Weiss on Fox News

» Quote of the week #23 – calls for resignation in Climategate

» Uh, oh – raw data in New Zealand tells a different story than the “official” one.

» Climategate: “Men behaving badly” – a short summary for laymen

» Statement on CRU hacking from the American Meteorological Society

» Climategate: hide the decline – codified

» EPA CO2 comment deadline for cars and light trucks fast approaching – get your comments in now

» Must see video – Climategate spoof from Minnesotans for Global Warming
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PheistyBlog » Global Warming

» Lord Monckton’s Warning

» The Green Experiment

» Quote of the Day: The Daily Gut

» Van Jones Resigns

» Town Hall protest in Setaucket, New York

» Oh, come on, now!

» Ecoscience

» Tea Party

» The left attacks Harry Alford

» CTRL/ALT/DELETE
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Global Warming News

» Global warming email scandal: Will the real Kevin Trenberth please stand up?

» Dear CEI we are readig YOUR email too.

» Climategate — the Real War on Science?

» The Heart of Climategate–the “fudge factor”

» Real Climate Spin

» Lack of global warming is “hot” issue

» The Global Warming Alarmist Establishment Bare Naked

» Friedman embraces “E.T.” as solution to energy problems

» Will Al Gore Change His No-Debate Policy?

» Come to Your Consensus
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Michelle Malkin - Enviro-Nitwits

» Science czar John Holdren and ClimateGate: Perfect together

» ClimateGate: Both sides of the pond demand probes into data manipulation scandal

» The global warming scandal of the century

» Fighting “climate change”…with free condoms

» EPA lawyers: Cap-and-trade bill is “fatally flawed”

» All by her lonesome: Sen. Boxer and the empty chairs

» Barbara Boxer’s eco-power grab

» Schooling global warming blowhard John Kerry

» Tinker Bell coopted by U.N. eco-zealots

» Lord Monckton’s warning to America

» What did I tell ya? Lindsey Graham signs on to cap-and-tax

» Ugh: McCain & Company melting on cap-and-tax

» Stanford U. doesn’t want you to see this video

» The year of living eco-sanctimoniously

» Apple’s eco-sanctimony
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DailyTech Michael Asher`s blog

» Will the Real Antarctica Please Stand Up?

» Global Warming May Decrease Hurricanes, Research Suggests

» Japanese Report Disputes Human Cause for Global Warming

» Sea Ice Ends Year at Same Level as 1979

» A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the (Climate) Forum

» Climate Report Downgrades Ice Loss; Media Reports Opposite

» Princeton Physicist Calls Global Warming Science "Mistaken"

» Defying Predictions, Sea Level Rise Begins to Slow

» Electric Car Sales in Freefall; Industry Risks Collapse

» Glaciers in Norway Growing Again

» Global Warming Equals... More Sex?

» Deja Vu All Over Again: Blogger Again Finds Error in NASA Climate Data

» Sea Ice Growing at Fastest Pace on Record

» Alaskan Glaciers Grow for First Time in 250 years

» Climate Change Report Calls for Mandatory Meat Rationing

» The Technology of Capitalism

» UN IPCC: Shun Meat to Stop Climate Change

» A Melting Arctic: Happy News for Mankind

» Arctic Sees Massive Gain in Ice Coverage

» Sun Makes History: First Spotless Month in a Century

» How to Reduce Pollution by Drilling for Oil

» Experimental Link Found Between Sun and Climate

» Another Scientist Predicts Global Cooling

» British Schoolboy Convicted of Downloading Material from Internet

» Oxygen Depletion: The Next Great Environmental Scare
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"Excessive intervention in economic activity and blind faith in the state's omnipotence is another possible mistake... Instead of streamlining market mechanisms, some are tempted to expand state economic intervention to the greatest possible extent...

In the 20th century, the Soviet Union made the state's role absolute. In the long run, this made the Soviet economy totally uncompetitive. This lesson cost us dearly. I am sure nobody wants to see it repeated...There is no reason to believe that we can achieve better results by shifting responsibility onto the state...

And one more point: anti-crisis measures should not escalate into financial populism and a refusal to implement responsible macroeconomic policies. The unjustified swelling of the budgetary deficit and the accumulation of public debts are just as destructive as adventurous stock-jobbing."

-- Vladimir Putin, Russia Prime Minister
Feb 2009 Lecturing the U.S. on the dangers of socialism.
Vladamir Putin lecturing the USA on the dangers of socialism.
Headlines

»UK Scientist: 'Case for climate fears is blown to smithereens...whole theory should be destroyed and discarded and UN conference should be closed'
'We should end this anti-scientific nonsense now' -- UN's 'Copenhagen jamboree is a scandal and it m ...
»Monbiot: 'There is no helping it; Jones has to go, and the longer he leaves it, the worse it will get'
»Monbiot: 'No one has been as badly let down by the revelations in these emails as those of us who have championed the science'
»'Total trainwreck': Phil Jones has 'disappeared off the face of the Earth'
»Monbiot: ClimateGate 'inflicting continuing damage to climate science'
»'Damage control'
»'If leak was an inside whistleblower, here's the line-up of potential suspects/heroes'
»'Climate Depot appeared to be ground zero for the 'Climategate' conspiracy' -- Sen. Inhofe Accuses Conservative Bloggers of Hacking?
»Climate Depot accused of hacking the files? 'Swift Boating the Climate Scientists': 'Morano is not new to this kind of dirty fighting'
»ClimateGate 'a disaster for global warming community' -- 'Makes one doubt what one had accepted as scientifically true, because consensus was reported as overwhelming'

Date published: not known
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»ClimateGate and the Elitist Roots of Global Warming Alarmism
The hundreds of e-mails being made public after someone hacked into Phil Jones’ Climatic Research Un ...
»Global Warming’s Blue Dress Moment? The CRU EMail Hack Scandal
The recent hacking of the University of East Anglia’s Climatic Research Unit (CRU) computer system h ...
»October 2009 UAH Global Temperature Update +0.28 deg. C
YR MON GLOBE NH SH TROPICS 2009 1 +0.304 +0.443 +0.165 -0.036 200 ...
»Some Comments on the Lindzen and Choi (2009) Feedback Study
I keep getting requests to comment on the recent GRL paper by Lindzen and Choi (2009), who computed ...
»In Their Own Words: The IPCC on Climate Feedbacks
Despite the fact that the magnitude of anthropogenic global warming depends mostly upon the strength ...
»An Expensive Urban Legend
About.com describes an “urban legend” as an apocryphal (of questionable authenticity), secondhand st ...
»IPCC Crushes Scientific Objectivity, 91-0.
Unquestionably, the U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) was formed to build the sc ...
»Global Average SST Update to October 14
Since the global average sea surface temperature (SST) anomalies (departures from average) hit a pea ...
»Hotspots and Fingerprints
It is claimed by the IPCC that there are ‘fingerprints’ associated with global warming which can be ...
»September 2009 UAH Global Temperature Update +0.42 deg. C
YR MON GLOBE NH SH TROPICS 2009 1 +0.304 +0.443 +0.165 -0.036 200 ...

Date published: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 14:08:39 +0000
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»Cosmic Rays and Climate Change
Can changes in the former induce the latter?
»Medieval Warm Period Record of the Week
Was there a Medieval Warm Period? YES, according to data published by 768 individual scientists from ...
»Extinction (Real-World Observations - Animals: Birds) -- Summary
Is global warming detrimental to earth's birds? ... possessing the potential to drive many of them t ...
»Plant Growth Data
This week we add new results of plant growth responses to atmospheric CO2 enrichment obtained from e ...
»Lake Victoria Basin Rainfall Over the 20th Century
How did it respond to the supposedly unprecedented warming of that period?
»Late-Holocene Climate of the Northeast Atlantic Ocean
How unusual does late 20th-century warming appear within the context of the region's prior 2400-year ...
»Recurrent Bleaching and Storms Need Not Spell "the End" for Earth's Corals
A stellar example is a South Pacific reef that has taken licking after licking, but keeps on ticking ...
»Woody Plants Invading Grasslands
How does the phenomenon impact earth's carbon balance?
»Soluble Exudates Produced by Ectomycorrhizal Roots of Scots Pine Trees
Why are they important? ... and how are they affected by atmospheric CO2 enrichment?

Date published: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:10:04 GMT
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»Good Summary of the Climate Pentagon Papers
From Lou Glazner via Anthony Watts 1. The scientists colluded in efforts to thwart Freedom of Inform ...
»The Heart of the Scandal
Free speech and transparency are meaningless unless they apply to the critics of the government as w ...
»Missing the Point, Perhaps on Purpose
Anthony Watts has a statement from the American Meteorological Society about the Hadley CRU emails.  ...
»The Program Code - Perhaps Far More Damning than the Emails
A reader wrote me that the comments found in the Hadley CRU program code are possibly far more damni ...
»Catastrophe Denied — Video From My Climate Lecture
The video from my climate lecture on November 10, 2009 is now available online.  I have overlaid the ...
»Dangers of a Monoculture — Reactions to the Hadley Emails
I am disappointed to see folks like Lord Monkton calling for scientists to go to jail over what has ...
»It’s All About the Science
Except when its not: I tried hard to balance the needs of the science and the IPCC , which were not ...
»Temperature Cycles
I have always been fascinated with the chart below, and the apparent strong correlation of global te ...
»Can’t Be Explained by Natural Causes
The fact that CO2 in the atmosphere can cause warming is fairly settled.  The question is, how much? ...
»You’re Absolutely Wrong and I Agree With You
Despite loads of public scorn heaped on Steve McIntyre and Ross McKittrick for their criticisms of t ...

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»G-Warming Promoter ‘Dismayed and Deeply Shaken’ by ClimateGate
By Noel Sheppard One of the world’s leading promoters of the anthropogenic global warming myth ...
»LA Times Changes Its Mind: Science Doesn’t Matter On Climate Bill
By Candance Moore That thumping sound you hear is the Los Angeles Times moving the goal posts in the ...
»Women Bear Brunt of ‘Climate Change?’
A United Nations group that promotes abortion has released some controversial recommendations concer ...
»Lord Lawson Calls For Public Inquiry Into CRU Data Affair
By Benny Peiser In response to recent revelations contained in leaked e-mails originating from the C ...
»Stagnating Temperatures - Climatologists Baffled by Global Warming Time Out
Global warming appears to have stalled. Climatologists are puzzled as to why average global temperat ...

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»camirror.wordpress.com
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»The Deleted Portion of the Briffa Reconstruction
"Hide the decline" refers to the decline in the Briffa MXD temperature reconstruction in t ...
»Curry: On the credibility of climate research
Judy Curry writes in as follows: (please comment here) Having been riveted for the last few days by ...

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»SPPI Monthly CO2 Report: October
Prof. Niklas Mörner explains how sea-level-rise data have been tampered with to show an artifi ...
»The IPCC can't count its "Expert Scientists": Author and Reviewer Numbers are Wrong
How many times have you heard or read words to the effect that 4000 scientists from the Intergovernm ...
»Not Finding Any, Gore Airbrushes Hurricanes For His New Book
Al Gore’s new book had a problem – no big hurricanes since Katrina to put in the book t ...
»Climate Science Corrupted
The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) was established under the sponsorship of the W ...
»An Open Letter to the Council of American Physical Society
As physicists who are familiar with the science issues, and as current and past members of the Amer ...
»Prince Charles Tries to Stamp Out Scientific Debate, Says SPPI
A climate lobby-group founded by Prince Charles to influence opinion in the world’s largest i ...
»Joe Romm's Vicious and Partisan Climate McCarthyism
If you want to understand how it is that the debate over global warming policies became so shrill, ...
»An Epidemic of OCD: Obsessive Carbon Dogma
From living in virtual darkness to minutely measuring their water-use, greens’ fixation with c ...
»Scenes from the Climate Inquisition
On February 2, an AEI research project on climate change policy that we have been organizing was the ...
»Cap-and-Trade Mirage

Date published: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 00:16:56 +0100
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»Top 10 Things I liked about Prometheus
A Guest Post by Sharon Friedman 1. We could keep up with the latest in the “big” c ...
»Beaming Out
As of today, my new blog is ready for visitors.  Besides the usual topics I’ve written about h ...
»Research Takes First Step on Tolerance of Nanoparticles
The Scientist has a capsule review of a 2007 research article on the ability of mice to purge themse ...
»UK Petition Pushes Linear Model to the Extreme
There is a custom in the U.K. to submit petitions to the Prime Minister’s residence, 10 Downin ...
»UK Backs Away from a Bibliometric Research Assessment Exercise
According to ScienceInsider (and Times Higher Education), the planned shift of the U.K. Research Ass ...
»Bioethics Panel Dismissed; Obama Panel Will Be More Policy Oriented
Per the New York Times, the President’s Council on Bioethics has been given its walking papers ...
»NASA Human Spaceflight Review Meets Today
Technology Review reports in advance of today’s meeting of the Review of U.S. Human Space Flig ...
»Business Methods Patents to Receive Scrutiny
The Supreme Court has agreed to hear a case regarding the validity of business method patents (H/T W ...
»FutureGen Clean Coal Plant May Get New Life
Wired notes that the FutureGen clean coal plant, which had been shuttered in part due to perceived c ...
»Some Changes to Announce
There are some changes to announce. Prometheus is going to be retired. It has been a while in com ...

Date published: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 11:38:48 +0000
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»Exactly who was emailing who in Climategate
This social graph of CRU emails shows how miniscule is this IPCC “power group” if you p ...
»Jones et al 1986 methodical insertion of warming bias
Jones et al 1986 looked at 86 Australian stations and rejected 46 (25 Short term – 21 long ter ...
»Selection of Prof Phil Jones and CRU emails from over a decade now searchable online
We have heard the amazing news broken by Anthony Watts of the Hadley Centre hack and download of the ...
»Global carbon emissions 1960-2008 and economic events
Fluctuations in global economic activity are clearly imprinted on the carbon emissions timeseries. ...
»BoM forgets Darwin history
I have just seen this BoM media release trumpeting “Warmest month on record in Darwin”. ...
»“…I finished .. about 8 o’clock that night and there had been no reports at that stage of casualties…”
To give us some comprehension of the magnitude of the breakdown in functions of the Victorian fire b ...
»The BoM is a national disgrace
In Canberra we are on pretty strict water restrictions, water bills are sky-high yet the BoM can not ...
»How quickly BoM weather model predictions implode
On 23 October the BoM published this map of rain predictions for the 3 months November 2009 – ...
»Kev747 attacks climate sceptics
Puzzling that the Australian Prime Minister Mr Kevin Rudd, would waste his precious time slagging of ...
»New paper on historical carbon dioxide levels in atmosphere accepted for conference
Accurate estimation of CO2 background level from near ground measurements at non-mixed environments ...

Date published: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 05:28:19 +0000
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Latest Forum Posts
Posted by Denny
Willis Eschenbach’s account of his FOI request h[more ...]
26 Nov : 18:56

Posted by Denny
For the very first time, the Climategate Letters [more ...]
26 Nov : 17:30

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ron, I thought you would get a Kick from this Gent[more ...]
26 Nov : 14:25

Posted by Denny
ron, yes that is true in some of His paragraph's b[more ...]
26 Nov : 13:52

Posted by ron
A most excellent analysis and thanks for expressin[more ...]
26 Nov : 10:54

Posted by ron
Monbiot is still trying to justify the conclusions[more ...]
26 Nov : 10:38

Posted by Denny
As the ClimateGate issue continues all around Us, [more ...]
26 Nov : 10:31

Posted by Denny
Lately, the speed of what has happened in the past[more ...]
26 Nov : 01:43

Posted by Denny
Climate sceptics have lied, obscured and cheated f[more ...]
26 Nov : 00:07

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I thought you would like to see another view broug[more ...]
25 Nov : 20:59

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Denny
26 Nov : 18:57
Rusty, yes, that'll be the person! He always puts a different perspective on things...I'm glad He visits!


Rusty
26 Nov : 18:29
Ahhh okay now i know who SFM is ... ha ha ... i laughed out loud a his posts re the changing of the tides and the seasons as being conclusive evidence of global warming ...


Denny
26 Nov : 17:32
Thanks Anonymous, we have acess to them!!


Denny
26 Nov : 17:31
Rusty, what you don't know the Sarcastic Future Man??? Just keep looking or go into past Chatbox at the bottom here and scroll back. SFM is pretty cool!!!


Rusty
26 Nov : 17:23
Who is SFM?


Anonymous
26 Nov : 17:09
read all hacked emails here



Denny
26 Nov : 17:06
Rusty, you and SFM will get along great!


Rusty
26 Nov : 16:41
Ha ha how's that for mixing my metaphors?


Rusty
26 Nov : 16:40
I wouldnt look at this as a conspiracy or a hoax ... not convinced there was much conscious collaboration going on ... just a lot of different parties trying to line their pockets or further their careers, all jumping on a band wagon until a 'tipping point' is reached ... and then the politicans jump on it and its a big honkin' out of control snowball ...


Denny
26 Nov : 15:43
Anonymous, Uhmm, just like the scare tactics you use, Right??

Gee...I would recommend something for your stomach but there's NO cure for what you have....Right SFM??


Anonymous
26 Nov : 15:21
How terribly simple it is to hoodwink the entire scientific community! Goodness, this site is full of incompetent, provincial utopians. It makes me sick.


Denny
26 Nov : 14:22
Rusty, it's cold here also..For the first time Weatherman is saying, "snow flurries". I have to go thru my wood addon yet and chimney...make some wood! Plenty to do!!


Denny
26 Nov : 14:20
Here's a good one!




Rusty
26 Nov : 14:15
Brrrr its chilly outside today.
Think I'll go crank up the furnace a notch or two ...


Denny
26 Nov : 13:47
Anonymous, of course not from an Alarmist view!!! I'm sure you haven't confronted this issue have you...If you have it's pretty obvious what's happening. Even George Monbiot is conceding! He was a full blooded Alarmist until this happened. Look in my History post and find Monbiot. It's obvious you haven't confronted ClimateGate and I think a "True Alarmist" never will...





Denny
26 Nov : 13:40
why?, nobody here is making those kind of claims. If here's the latest who does know and if you would go thru the Latest Forum Posts, I think you would be surprised...Of course, if you are a true Alarmist, then I cannot help you....Read the below before you fall off the Cliff with you words...




Anonymous
26 Nov : 13:06
as far as these e-mails go, you can't take a sentence here and a sentence there and present them out of context. It doesn't mean a thing! It is certainly not evidence of a haox!


why?
26 Nov : 13:03
because they were right about the automobile. you enjoy driving? they figured out electricity, gravity, molecular biology, quantum physics to name a few.

You guys think you know more about science than the scientists! makes me laugh.

You guys are trying so hard to spread biased propaganda even though you don't understand the science.

IF you did understant the science, that would make you a scientist - which (according to your logic) would mean you automatically can't be trusted.

Do you see the error with you logic. You place a blanket statement saying all scientists can't be trusted??? give me a break!!


ron
26 Nov : 10:54
Saw it, responded to it. Read it and Happy Thanksgiving.


Denny
26 Nov : 10:00
Ron, did you read Bernhard's comment???


ron
26 Nov : 09:55
That is an excellent essay, speaking in plain terms the ideas behind the theory. And, possibly, some of the scientists studying it started out with good intentions. But I feel they concentrated too much on CO2 and not enough on natural astronomical events, which have a far greater impact (by way of Svensmark). And, alas, if the root drivers are astronomical, there is nothing we can do to stop warming or cooling and therefore the scientists would receive no funding and have to get a real job.


Denny
26 Nov : 09:52
Admin..Wow, thanks for the H/T. Ron will love this answer..This is what he tries to say in rebuttal with Alarmists! Sounds like he knows where the Bear "sh@#* in the Woods, so to say...I can believe it also...Everything adds up!


Admin
26 Nov : 07:59
Denny, you should read the comment from "Bernhard" in Dr. Weinstein's "Debunking the CO2 Feedback Myth" article.


Denny
26 Nov : 01:00
Anonymous, Fox News is! The Rest follow the Alarmist crowd. The rest are "biased" in there reporting..But slowly, some are coming around like George Monbiot of the UK..Check the article at the "Latest Forum Posts in the center of this site...


Anonymous
26 Nov : 00:52
Why are not the main media covering this questionable theory that global warming is fraud


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Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?
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Sea ice at Antarctica is up over 43% since 1980 and we hear nothing in the news, yet Arctic ice is down less than 7% and they're all over it! We've been waiting for the main stream media to pick up on the increase of Antarctic ice but so far they're been totally absent. Guess its doesn't fit the plan.


From the National Snow and Ice Data Center, University of Colorado



Still no sign of the national media on the extraordinary growth of sea ice at the antarctic. They sure haven't missed a chance to point out the relatively small loss of ice at the arctic. Did did it ever occur to them that perhaps there is a natural process at work that has shifted ice growth from one pole to the other? Do they not want to admit that there are things man doesn't yet understand about how this planet works?

Remember that some of the “models” predicted increased antarctic ice, but they predicted increased “interior ice” due to increased snow fall. None of the models predicted increased sea ice around the antarctic. Yet that is what we have, and not just a little increase but a 43% increase since 1980!. This is highly significant yet hardly anyone in the main stream media (MSM) is talking about it.

Sea ice is much different than interior ice. Some of the models predicted increased ice over the interior of antarctic. If you've ever lived in the extreme cold temperature regions you already understand this. When it gets very cold the air become drier and it snows less, as the temperature warms towards freezing it actually snows more. Since the antarctic rarely even gets close to freezing its understandable that warming would cause more snow fall. Over time compacted snow would lead to more ice. But that is not what is happening here. We're seeing a dramatic increase in “sea ice”, this ice is over the ocean. Sea ice is caused by colder temperatures, not by increased snow fall. An increase of 43% is highly significant, but we hear nothing from either the MSM or the scientific community. Especially compared to the out 6%-7% decrease at the arctic (this isn't year over year, this is a 6% decline since 1980!).

Antarctic Sea Ice for March
              Extent                    Concentration
2009     5.0 million sq km            2.9 million sq km
1997     3.8 million sq km            2.2 million sq km
1980	 3.5 million sq km            2.0 million sq km
This is an increase of 45% for ice concentration since 1980. This continues a long trend that has been noted here for several months..

Interior ice is also increasing but not due to warming as the models have predicted. According to NOAA GISS data winter temperatures in the antarctic have actually fallen by 1°F since 1957, with the coldest year being 2004. All the while global CO2 levels have gone up and the main stream media has been reporting near catastrophic warming conditions. They regularly show Antarctic sea ice shelves breaking apart, which is an entirely normal process (though they never tell you that part). The main stream media and certain segments of the scientific community truly must have no shame.

If you have doubts about the increase in ice you can run the numbers yourself at the National Snow and Ice Data Center's website (part of the University of Colorado and funded by the National Science Foundation).

And if you want to read something really amusing take a gander at Michael Asher Blog about climate modelers trying to explain antarctic warming.... agh .. cooling....agh... warming it's delightful.



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Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?Denny |05 Apr : 23:45
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Registered: 11 May : 12:38
Reply to this		No, because they are picking this up over at Fox News!

Massive Ice Shelf about to Break away from Antarctic Coast by AP.

Gee, I thought this is how Glaciers are made after the snow builds up and turns into Ice and then pushes it out over the Continent and into the Sea. If I get my Earth History right, UH, this has been going on for what, Millions of years. Yet Alarmists think that a .5 degree Celceius per what 100 years caused this!!!

I haven't seen much ado about the latest Ice growth reports out there in the Internet! Obama is taking all the Glory right now, Admin..

Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?dontaliaferro@yahoo.com |06 Apr : 11:51
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Reply to this		Facts will always kill the Libs in any debate, but the drive-bys keep the Libs on the front page. Bankruptcy of some of these slugs doesn't seem such a bad idea.

Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?Indy Republican |06 Apr : 17:55
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Reply to this		I guess this is the big deal environmental crisis that "The Messiah" needs to convince us to use swirly lightbulbs. It's amazing how the media freak out whenever they see ice melting.

Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?February |06 Apr : 22:52
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Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?they're looking for evidence, maybe? |06 Apr : 23:01
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"from 1979 to 2007, Antarctic sea ice underwent a slight increase. The Antarctic ice extent increases were smaller in magnitude than the Arctic increases, and some regions of the Antarctic experienced strong declining trends in sea ice extent. See the Arctic Sea Ice FAQ for more information. Image provided by National Snow and Ice Data Center, University of Colorado, Boulder."

Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?R.Danneskjöld |07 Apr : 09:56
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Reply to this		The link in the article above is from NSIDC. It shows from 1980 to 2009 an increase of over 43% in antarctic sea ice. Are they calling this "a slight increase". I would call that highly significant.

-- Ragnar, Pirating for Freedom

Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?Flanagan |07 Apr : 11:22
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Reply to this		Here is the REAL NSIDC trend



rate is (4.7 +- 4.4) % - in other words, 10 times less than what is proclaimed here. UNLESS one carefully selects some of the points to make people think otherwise.

Manipulation?

Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?R.Danneskjöld |07 Apr : 12:43
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Reply to this		Flanagan, nothing was "carefully selected". The month of March was selected because that was the most current month of available data. Comparing the month of March 2009 to the month of March 1980 seems perfectly legitimate to me!

The chart you linked to shows the anomaly. Exactly what period did they use to decide what is "normal". It also shows the yearly average. You're comparing apples to oranges and it comes up smelling like a worm.

If anyone is manipulating things its you manipulating this discussion. For the month of March 2009 had 43% more ice extent (and 45% ice concentration) than 1980. And it isn't just March, this site has been running this data for several months now and its showing a clear trend of a massive increase in antarctic sea ice.

Stop diverting the subject every time someone brings up a point.

-- Ragnar, Pirating for Freedom


Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?Anonymous |07 Apr : 14:10
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Reply to this		Dannes,

is it me or you have problems with reading basic information. The graph says "March anomalies", so it's about March exactly. If you take 1980 and 2009 as the only two points (for "some" reason) then you get the numbers mentioned in the post.

But this is not how a trend is done of course. Comparing two points makes no sense as long as climate is concerned. For example, if I "decide" to compare 1982 and 2007, I can get a declining trend. (see the link) The long term trend is what counts, and obvious : 4.7%.

That's it. I'm not diverting the subject at all : the topic is here "how much has been the trend" The answer is 4.7% Any other manipulation of the data is an inslut to the scientific method.


Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?Anonymous |09 Apr : 12:52
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Reply to this		"The answer is 4.7% Any other manipulation of the data is an inslut to the scientific method."

Agreed. This site should focus on the fact that there is more ice, not cherry pick points to exaggerate a point.. the very same tactic you're supposed to be opposing.

Re: Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?Anonymous |15 Apr : 12:06
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Reply to this		good point, they claim that scientists and politicians provide bunk science, and they they fabricate their own science, using flawed techniques in an attempt to exaggerate their point. and they claim to present the "truth". it's hilarious. by stating falsehoods like these, this site destroys any credibility they might have had. mind you, they've never had any real credibility.
Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?stan |09 Apr : 12:53
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Reply to this		A vast conspiracy is at work.

Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?Anonymous |09 Apr : 12:56
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Reply to this		If you compare the month of September between 2008 and 1980 you get the opposite results. It appears the increase in March results is due to thinner ice that is more spread out as a result of melting.



So just more cherry picking of data to keep the flat-earthers heads in the sand.

Re: Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?R.Danneskjöld |09 Apr : 18:19
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Reply to this		Hardly equal at all. Your example shows 3% more ice in 1980, the article shows 43% more ice. Your thinner ice theory doesn't work either as the ice concentration was up 45%.

Come on you can do better than that! How about blaming it on cow farts drifting down from Argentina. Or huge American conglomerates holding boondoggles in Buenos Aires for over paid CEOs. Ok, I know lets blame it on the ozone hole, we haven't heard from that lately. Oh yea, those would make less ice. Ummmm, geez maybe there isn't warming at the antarctic after all.

Oh wait I've got it! Its the icy cold hearted bureaucracy of socialism creeping back in to the civilized world.
Re: Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?no one |29 Apr : 12:04
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Reply to this		it would appear that the earth has NATURAL warming and cooling in order to keep itself, and not to mention, every living species on it, alive. If you compare every graph, then you could would see that the tempurature goes up and down. and no matter what the human race does about it, our intentions are worthless compared to the natural ways of the earth.

one more thing, the whole idea of carbon dioxide causing global warming, and killing the life in earth is ridiculous. carbon dioxide IS what plants breath, then they create oxygen for us.
Re: Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?whoever |30 Apr : 15:43
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Reply to this		the most simple suggestive and effective point ive read so far. thank you.
Re: Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?Anonymous |30 Jul : 15:04
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Reply to this		simple is right. If you are eliminating the trees that turn CO2 into O2, than you are eliminating the planets ability to produce O2. In turn, decaying trees release carbon back into the atmosphere. This would be a two fold problem with a synergistic effect. Not unlike Ice deflecting heat, melting, causing the water to absorb heat.
Re: Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?Salomar |08 Oct : 17:37
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Reply to this		Guys, have you been sleeping in class?

Trees make oxygen? Ouch.

A chemical reaction using sunlight is producing it.

Now the big question for you would be: What are trees doing at night? Leading to: What do trees do, when they finally drop dead and decompose?

But let me help you by saying that much; without the existence of oxygen there wouldn't be any trees.
Simple biology.

So, now go looking for the source of that strange stuff that doesn't exactly come from the trees or other green plants for that matter...
Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?Anonymous |09 Apr : 23:08
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Reply to this		"Come on you can do better than that!"

Why should I? I just showed you up to be a kook who goes on about the 'mainstream media' and the 'Vast Global Warming Conspiracy".

Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?J |10 Apr : 01:31
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Reply to this		Is this a conservative site if it is there is political behind it

Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?Anonymous |10 Apr : 07:44
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Reply to this		Read the unedited political history people. The Club of Rome said back in the 80s/90s that they had 'hit upon the idea of global warming to unite the people' behind their agenda (ie. one world government/one world bank/carbon tax credits). Wake up! The enviromental movement has been hijacked and used and abused for years by the power elite in their pursuit of a world wide collectivism. Global warming (or climate change as it has morphed into) is nothing more than the latest faith based religion!

Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?Anonymous |10 Apr : 11:23
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Reply to this		Global Warming Hoax or not . . . . I think the part of the message coming from the Crips (Libs) . . is not all that bad. What's wrong with a little conservation. Someone had mentioned the "Swirly Light" . . . Absolutely nothing wring with conserving some energy. Taxing conservation . . now that sucks. Don't beat up efforts of people who really want to make a difference in the planets energy consumption, because of some silly "Bloods vs. Crips" Political gang mentality.

I say taxing any type of effort sucks . . . .

Bashing anybody who says "Hey maybe we should't use as much electricity or oil or coal to benefit the earth . . . That sucks too.

There is a simple fact. Our Earth's resources are finite. Stuff will eventually run out. Do we wait for that to happen . . . or do we start making efforts today. Wow I totally sound like a commercial. Maybe I'm brain washed . . .

Or maybe I am actually using my brain and not taking sides with the Gang mentality.

Conservatives . . . Bloods
Liberals . . . Crips
Whatever!

Re: Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?D in Glendale |03 Jul : 11:03
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Reply to this		I conserve electricity because it saves me on my electrical bill, I conserve on fuel because it saves me money on my fuel bill, not because of some silly notion that the insignificant human being is causing this planet to heat up like an oven and cause all the ice in the world to melt. If you think humans have such a grand effect on this planet then you are arrogant in that respect. I agree we should conserve some energy and that's what I do, but not for global warming.
Re: Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?Anonymous |30 Jul : 14:53
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Reply to this		I see arguments like this that say Humans have no effect of the Global Climate. I then read an article from this site saying Obama admin. could cause the next ice age? Seriously, make up your minds and stick with it. BTW I just watched a very large thunderstorm split in two and circumvent the city where I live. Its called urban blight. Humans caused it. I also live in Texas (Bush Country) where its been +100 and the hottest summer ever in history. Spoke w/ a friend from Portland OR. where it was 104....non-stop history breaking weather on every corner of the globe. I was looking for a good argument against global climate change to challenge my own ideas about what is happening. With all the spelling errors, redneck rhetoric, and flip flopping I don't see myself changing views.
Re: Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?Blah |16 Nov : 13:17
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Reply to this		The Obama admin would be deliberately manipulating the climate. Us as civilians living normal lives don't effect it. Big difference.
Re: Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?ShadowStar |31 Jul : 09:00
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Reply to this		Unfortunately, thermodynamics is thermodynamics, and there is no free lunch. How much energy does it take to produce a swirly bulb compared to a typical wire-incandescent, per bulb? I am curious to see the critical thinking.

In response to the original article, I believe this is an interpretation of another article in which a case is made for 43% increase. Looking at primary source information, a slightly less than 5% accrual trend is noted, in terms of area.

If the poster whom has the argument that the ice is thinner etc, one must consider then two feedback loops and determine which may be stronger - The reflection of insolation by a larger area of thinner ice vs. the propensity to melt of thinner ice by subsurface water flow. I suggest that only one of these quantities changes the DelE, the net system (Earth) flux of energy from the source (Sun.) If one considers the spread of ice lowers the DelE of the net system, then less thermal energy overall is available to do work. Less thermal energy means less ice means more decrease in DelE as a trend. This feedback mechanism should be examined more closely by the reader.
Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?Shii |10 Apr : 21:53
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Reply to this		Global warming is a joke. The entirety of the issue is fallacious by very nature. Causality is what everyone should pay attention too. If something changes, and something else does afterwards, that DOES NOT mean that the first caused the second.

That's just a basic tenet of science.

If I put my pants on backwards today and then I end up getting in a car wreck, does it mean my pants influenced my bad luck? Of course not. A shift in CO2 and a shift in climate are just as related.

But far be it from the liberals to admit that they don't know everything about how the planet works. They're too busy worshipping a charismatic hollow suit.

Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?geir |11 Apr : 06:48
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Reply to this		Note that the sea ice in the Antarctic is on average 1-2m thick and in the Arctic it is 3-4m thick, so the data is noisier (and less significant in terms of ice volume) for the Antarctic. If you have a very noisy data set and pick just two points, you can find data to support any conclusion you want! You need to average many data points before you can spot a trend. If you do a confidence test on the entire data set, you will find no statistically significant trend in the Antarctic data, and a declining trend in the Arctic data.

Arctic vs Antarctic.

Re: Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?Anonymous |12 Apr : 15:23
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Reply to this		The link you posted exposes this site as being intellectually lazy and deceptive. It shows again how important it is to
- Try to study a topic thoroughly before jumping to conclusions spoonfed by others
- Verify sources to expose quoting out of context

I quote:
"Both Arctic and Antarctic sea ice extent are characterized by fairly large variations from year to year. The monthly average extent can vary by as much as 1 million square kilometers (386,102 square miles) from the year-to-year monthly average. The area covered by Antarctic sea ice has shown a small (not statistically significant) increasing trend.

According to scientific measurements, both the thickness and extent of summer sea ice in the Arctic have shown a dramatic decline over the past thirty years. This is consisistent with observations of a warming Arctic. This trend is a major sign of climate change in the polar regions and may be an indicator of the effects of global warming"

Had this site been scientific as well as political in nature, this quote would have been included. Perhaps the author needs to focus more on what seems to be his expertise: blaming everything on socialism, labeling fascistic countries as socialist, spreading disinformation about socialism, even labeling global warming a socialist propaganda tool. Typical ignorant Hegelian ranting.
Re: Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?R.Danneskjöld |13 Apr : 09:15
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Reply to this		The link in the article was 100% accurate. Antarctic sea ice is up 43% since 1980. Concentration being up 46% would tend to indicate the ice probably isn't as thin as you claim (where's the data on antarctic sea ice thickness?). You may quibble over the fact that this may be an anamoloy, but the fact is antarctic sea ice has a far greater extent and concentration than it did 30 years ago when satellite monitoring began. The only mention of the arctic was to point out that its only down 7% yet the media give it major air time, while making no mention of the enormous increase in antarctic sea ice.

If you want to argue that the ice varies so much from year to year than I would point out that 30 years would not be nearly long enough to spot any true trends. Anytime you have this much variability you need a much longer period of time to make any conclusions. You can't have it both ways. Either the 43% increase is significant, or the fact that its an anamoloy means we can discern no meaningful trend over such a short period of time. If the later is true than you wacky alarmists should just shutup and go away.

-- Ragnar, Pirating for Freedom
Re: Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?Anonymous |13 Apr : 13:33
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Reply to this		"The link in the article was 100% accurate"
Heh. Yes it was. It worked in my browser. No difference of opinion there.

"Antarctic sea ice is up 43% since 1980."
No it's not. You pick two data points (two months in two years decennia apart) in a highly fluctuating graph, one low and one high, compute the difference and then create the impression that this represents a long term trend. However:

"The monthly average extent can vary by as much as 1 million square kilometers (386,102 square miles) from the year-to-year monthly average."

You were supposed to look at the slope of the fluctuating graph, not compare march 1980 with march 2009!

Such comparisons are bogus! How can it be that I only have to visit the source you quote, read their footnotes and explanations and look at the numbers to realize this? Did you rush this article? If there is any remaining doubt wether or not your article is misleading, consider the following quote:

"Arctic ice has been decreasing at an average rate of about 3 percent per decade, while Antarctic ice has increased by about 0.8 percent per decade."
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Nothing in the above quote is left to the imagination. Now, how many decades since 1972? For convenience: let's predict the 4 decade situation (2012). There is an increase of Antarctic ice of 4 * 0.8 = 3.2% However, there is a decrease of Arctic ice of 4 * 3 = 12%. Taken together, there is a decrease of polar ice of 8.8%

You see, they don't just compare march 1980 with march 2009, they compare differences in year-by-year averages. The difference between two random data points is completely irrelevant.

Then, you end with this:
"You can't have it both ways. Either the 43% increase is significant, or the fact that its an anamoloy means we can discern no meaningful trend over such a short period of time. If the later is true than you wacky alarmists should just shutup and go away."

Either we are wrong or you are right? What kind of a choice is that? How about: you lost this round, try again the next?
Re: Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?guest |30 Apr : 01:27
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Reply to this		It is a Propaganda tool! The biggest the world has ever seen.

As has been said in a previous comment, it is to unite the whole world by having one commen enemy to overcome! It's all a matter of controling what people think and how we react to different situations. Liberty and freedom of speech are slowly beeing distroyed.And yes i agree with what was said earlier about this site picking certain information to show what they want to show. They're fighting fire with fire .

But saying it's liberal or whatever is a load of nonsense! All major world leaders are now global people. look at Obama suddenly he's saying america must start controling their CO2 emissions. No matter who gets in to government in the future, these lies will be pushed forward. And the minority who disagree will just have to fight it! even though it will be Futile. There are stronger forces at work.
Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?Anonymous |11 Apr : 07:51
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Reply to this		Yeah, I'm pretty convinced that global warming is a hysteric exageration of the facts, but this site is hardly unbiased either. You are just as one-sided as the supposed liberal conspiracy you're trying to disprove.

Oh, and a hint to you all. Liberals =/= Commies. In my country, the liberals are the right wing opposition to the social democrats, who are more left leaning yet no commies either.

Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?stringer |13 Apr : 19:14
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Reply to this		see submission number two at


Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?Neil |14 Apr : 01:06
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Reply to this		measuring ice coverage with no discussion of the thickness is silly It also ignores the The first-ever gravity survey of the entire Antarctic ice sheet, conducted using data from the NASA/German Aerospace Center Gravity Recovery and Climate Experiment (Grace), concludes the ice sheet's mass has decreased significantly. Pictures with no real reference are lies.

Re: Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?Anonymous |13 Jul : 03:00
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Reply to this		Isnt it flawed to use the FIRST ever survey to prove anything?
Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?Clothcap |14 Apr : 11:03
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Reply to this		According to the University of Illinois, Antarctic sea ice area is nearly 30% above normal and the anomaly has reached 1,000,000 km2.
According to NSIDC, over the last 30 years Antarctic sea ice extent has been growing at a rate of nearly 5% per decade, and set a record maximum last year.

Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?Cal |14 Apr : 17:34
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Reply to this		Rhodes Fairbridge was right but we should have been conserving energy yonks ago to save our lungs...

Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?where is the media - you make me laugh |15 Apr : 12:18
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Reply to this		the media wouldn't use this bogus site for a source of science. you MUST be kidding!!!

Non-ScientistsNeil |17 Apr : 08:19
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Reply to this		The article sounds like somebody commenting on a subject that's way out of his depth, who doesn't know enough baby science to interpret facts properly, or even use a graph, and who is too chicken to recognize his way of "life" is completely divorced from any sustainable ecological principles.

Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?Mycroft |21 Apr : 15:07
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Reply to this		What's wrong with believing in a Christian God? Good morals, good ethics, peaceful. So if you believe in good morals, good ethics, and peace then you should absolutely believe in God!

It's the same with this argument...first of all, the fact that there IS an argument is reason enough to continue research before building policy around a belief system. And I'm sure very few have a problem accepting that over time all forms of pollution are detrimental over time and we should do our part to make sure that the planet we leave our children is worth living in. But these are not good arguments for the existence of man-made climate change and belief in one shouldn't mean you have to subscribe to another.

If this is a scientific matter, why should we take it on faith?

Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?lincoln24 |22 Apr : 11:26
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Reply to this		Okay people, does it really matter if Global Warming exists at all or not? The point is about making our society more earth friendly. The earth is what keeps us alive and we should not be polluting it with our smog and carbon dioxide. We must do all we can to help our friend "the earth" and that is what it is all about. Even if Global Warming is a big hoax, i do not see a difference between this and telling people that eating a diet high in fat and sugar can cause a heart attack. It is not proven that eating such things will CAUSE a heart attack, however, there is a strong correlation. Although it may not be proven, it keeps people eating healthy foods and that is important. Who cares why they do it, as long as they do. As long as people do everything they can to help this earth, who cares why they are doing it? I bought a Brita pitcher and recycle the filters, instead of buying bottled water, and I also bought all new appliances for my home that use less energy. I drive a hybrid and am considering solar panels for my home. I do all of these things not necessarily because of Global Warming, but because I fell it is my duty to do everything in my power to help this beautiful earth that gives me life. Yes, it did take the threat of Global Warming to realize that my selfish actions could have consequences and, since it helps me to do the best I can for the planet, and since it makes other people in this world do the best for the planet, I am glad that this "hoax" exists, if that is what you would like to call it.

Re: Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?Anonymous |22 Apr : 16:46
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Reply to this		I bought a Brita pitcher and recycle the filters, instead of buying bottled water, and I also bought all new appliances for my home that use less energy.


Whats is wrong with tap water. how much energy goes into making the Brita filter/pitchers and even the bottled water? Even the other stuff you have changed, how much has it cost the environment to make, as opposed to keeping what you have. who is laughing, you or the manufacturers and governments collecting taxes.
Re: Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?R.Danneskjöld |23 Apr : 04:39
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Reply to this		Because CO2 isn't a pollutant! It is necessary for plant life to exist. It is easy to prove that the atmosphere is at one of the lowest concentrations of CO2 in Earth's history, plants are essentially CO2 starved. Any geologist could tell you that life THRIVED under times of higher CO2. If you love the planet why would want to cut back on CO2?
Re: Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?Anonymous |15 May : 04:30
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Reply to this		Yes, plants use CO2 in the process of photosynthesis. If you're going to look back at deep time and compare the Earth when it was COVERED with plants and not roads, buildings, homes and farmland, then yes, I would agree that several million years ago, excess CO2 was kept in check by the millions of plants that covered the planet.
Where have you been? We continue to REMOVE plants/trees at an alarming rate - have you heard of deforestation??? Loss of rainforest in South America? This has been going on for 20 years or so. Hmmmm....yes, plants love CO2 and rely on it for their biological processes. I'm just curious as to what will happen if we continue to remove plants from our environments and replace them with heat reflecting structures. Why don't you find a website/data link that supports your theory that plants love CO2 and will thrive in a high CO2 environment? When you can show that we have the SAME quantity of plants on Earth as we did millions of years ago (before concrete) and that the Earth is thriving in a high CO2 environment today, let me know.

In terms of your claim that sea ice is increasing in the Antarctic - can you say "pot - kettle - black" - you are blasting scientists for manipulating data - yet you've done the same. You have taken TWO data points. I could look at my bank account from 10 years ago right after pay day and then my current bank account now on the same date - and say "Wow, I'm making less money than 10 years ago! How did that happen?" Or, I could compare my account at the END of the month 10 years ago, and the same time/month now and say "Holy cow, my salary has quadrupled!" Yes - there are other variables in there - such as when my paycheck arrives each month and what I'm doing with my money. Two data points is NEVER a sufficient measure to draw conclusions in science. Oh wait - you are not a scientist. THAT explains a lot!

Why don't you actually READ the IPCC report. I'm sure there are some big words in there - but the data there doesn't lie. Yes, I'll agree that statistically, you can often make numbers do what you want. But I've seen the graphs - the only statistics applied is a best fit line (as someone posted on this site).

I won't comment again - not really worth my time. Good luck with your quest to disprove this. Maybe I'll come back in 20 years and see if you're still around....
Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?xlr8r123 |22 Apr : 19:06
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Reply to this		Im so sick of this Hoax libral money grabbing vote getting issue. It is a true hoax. How about stopping all those Icebreaking expidition ships that study this hoax that break up that ice every day. No, lets focus on taxing us to death and putting mure regulations on America while China focuses on creating jobs, buying and using oil and coal and kicking our ecomnys ass... Lets get smart and vote out all these libral hoaxters. Gosh......!

Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?Octavio |24 Apr : 13:54
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Reply to this		"Lets get smart and vote out all these libral hoaxters. Gosh......!"

Yes, that's a good idea.

However, I have a better one. Study science (chemistry and physics for instance) and understand what is going on with global warming. By the way, I went to web site recommended here (National Snow and Ice Data Center's web) and the core of the study (Arctic sea ice younger, thinner as melt season begins) supports the existence of global warming. Or, maybe I just don't know how to read.


Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?Octavio |24 Apr : 14:34
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Reply to this		"Facts will always kill the Libs in any debate, but the drive-bys keep the Libs on the front page. Bankruptcy of some of these slugs doesn't seem such a bad idea."

I wonder, is this implies that wealthy republicans are to blame for the current economical crisis, but that is besides the point.

Anyway, the liberals that you would like to see bankrup are more likely to support tax money going to scientific research; therefore, determining more facts that you can use to win over debates.

Also, this research can continue disproving global warming . As technology advances it becomes easier and easier to prove to the public how wrong scientists have been. CO2 is after all a very difficult molecule to undertand (not really lol!) . Maybe with the new research you can also prove that evolution is also a myth, that the polar bears are actually multiplying like bunnies, that the current rates of plant and animal extinctions are not real, that overfishing is not anthropogenic, and that deforestation for building roads is not caused by humans.

You let the world know the truth!

Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?Anonymous |24 Apr : 14:50
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Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?Anonymous |24 Apr : 15:05
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Reply to this		This is funny, if you click on this link it shows a graph taken from the same article that is supposed to disprove global warming. The graph shows the March anomaly between 2005 to 2008, but an overall decline in artic ice from 1978 to 2008.

LOL

The article clearly shows a pattern in support of overall heat increase! If you want to dissprove global warming you should use one of the articles writen by one of the sicentists that received money from Exxon Mobil. Or at least be more obscure in how you manipulate scientific articles.

Re: Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?Anonymous |25 Jul : 20:13
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Reply to this		"a graph taken from the same article that is supposed to disprove global warming. The graph shows the March anomaly between 2005 to 2008, but an overall decline in artic ice from 1978 to 2008.

LOL

The article clearly shows a pattern in support of overall heat increase! If you want to dissprove global warming you should use one of the articles writen by one of the sicentists that received money from Exxon Mobil. Or at least be more obscure in how you manipulate scientific articles."
Sorry I do not believe this graph is correct. It shows ice lower in March 09 than March 79. As for an anomaly? it clearly shows the is trend going up the past 5 years. Will the real statisticians stand up? Give me the data, as long is it is not manipulated. I have no agenda.
Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?gr8inferno |28 Apr : 14:00
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Reply to this		umm. let's say hypothetically 4.7% is correct. I'm scratching my head here, isn't that an increase? definitely not a decrease?

Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?guest |30 Apr : 01:44
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Reply to this		I am not a scientist neither do i pretend to know much about the ice depths etc. But what i do know is the earths temperature and that of our atmosphere vary sometimes they decrease sometimes they increase. It has nothing to do with CO2 emissions by Human activity.

I don't know why people don't see it for what it is. Mass Propoganda! get everyone to think a certain way and you can control them! end of story!

Re: Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?Anonymous |19 May : 18:07
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Reply to this		if you're not a scientist, and you don't study this sort of thing, then your opinion is very uneducated. With all due respect, you don't know what you are talking about. If all the scientists (except for the few funded by Exxon, of course) agree that all the evidence and studies collected over the last 30-40 years agree that human induced CO2 IS causing a large part of the warming..... then I have a very hard time believing your opinion.
Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?guest |03 May : 12:05
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Reply to this		okay, im not gonna lie here. I'm only a teenage kid. But I read alot about this topic of global warming.


I'm doing a report on how global warming isn't really happening. So far a lot is clear to me. Most companies invested in "Green" products are getting money. they want people to think there is global warming happening so that they can become rich. Marketing People.


look at Al Gore... i mean people are like "That guy is famous and says that global warming is real! It must be true!" People have to start thinking for themselves.


The truth is, yes, some ice is breaking off the ice caps and some ice sheets are deplenishing. But that is focused most upon one specific area. And, it is a natural process. What do they expect? ice sheets stay the same size forever?

Another thing, temps dont stay the same. They have to vary for different factor. Global Winds, Ocean currents, and so much more. So its not unusual for one place that is very cool to be a bit more warm for a bit. It could do with the jetstream or watever its called moving over the place and bring warmer air into the place. Any of those or some from some other factor is very likly.

I don't know why so many people are falling into this trap. The media should pick up on some studies or something! Maybe the media is making a profit out of this or something...


Point is, I'm a kid and know that sometimes people just want money. If it means lie to you, they will do it. If I picked up on this, why isn't most other people arnt?


Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?guest |03 May : 12:09
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Reply to this		oh im not the same guy who posted that comment before me, sorry haha

Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?JustMe |06 May : 15:49
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Reply to this		Reading all the above I am remined of the three blind men and the elephant (various versions but to keep it short...) While walking they bumped into an elephant. The first reached out and grabbing the tail said this it was a huge vine, the second reached out and grabbing the leg said it was a tree, the third reaching out grabbed the trunk and said it was a snake.

In all science, you will find the one fact that will prove what ever point you want. The wise person will look at all the facts, find the common ground, define cause and effect and then form a conclusion rather than start with a conclusion and work backwards. Doing this, the fact of global warning can't be ignored, even with SHORT TERM trends to the contrary. CO2 is a green house gas, the more the warmer the climate, CO2 in the air now is higher than for thousands of years (check out any college meteorology text book, if not the internet).
The CO2 we are burning now in the form of oil, gas, coal is carbon formed from the plants millions of years ago. It took millions of years to lock that CO2 made by plants in those states (oil, gas, coal) and now we are releasing it into the air in a period of a 100 years or so. That may be an equilibrium for the earth (geologic time measured in millions of years) but for humans and our civilization where time is measured in generations (50-100 years) that is NOT a stable situation.

Antarctic may be expanding now but what about the rest of the word. Where here is there mention of the North Pole ice melting, and almost every (if not every) glacial system receding at unprecedented levels, (the Andes, Himalayas, Greenand). Where here is there mention of the sea level rise in the Polynesian islands? Where here is there mention of the permafrost melting under Alaskan towns? Where is there mention here that botanists are documenting a shift of plant growth to higher, previously colder, elevations?

Could it be that Antarctica, the coldest place on the planet, is reaping the benefit of warming everywhere else? Could it be that warmer air is holding more moister and when it reaches the cold place on the planet, the Antarctic, drops that moisture in the form of snow, allowing the Antarctic to grow?

There are other cycles, precession, sun spots, the non circular orbit of the earth. Although these may be relevant for climate changes in distant geologic time, they do not explain the rapid changes observed in the last 50-100 years.

Mind like parachute...








Re: Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?ferocious |09 Nov : 20:27
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Reply to this		Just Me, I'd advise you to continue studying the science involved. While CO2 may be making a small contribution to the recent ESTIMATED global temperature increases(which peaked in 1998) there really is not scientific basis for saying that humans made more than a small, marginal increase in global temperatures. Even the majority of the IPCC scientists involved in the publications did not endorse a conclusion that the temperature increase was man made. The Anthropogenic Global Warming conclusion was the result of a small number(60 or so out of some 2000 scientists) politicians involved in vetting their own studies, writing the Policy summaries, and the Lame Media that took the one or two sentence media summaries and ran with them. The folks(I can't call them scientists) who did this form a small, insular group of like-minded individuals who have a strong personal interest in promoting global warming as a political issue.
Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?JustMe |06 May : 16:20
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Reply to this		More...

The article's original author says:

"If you have doubts about the increase in ice you can run the numbers yourself at the National Snow and Ice Data Center's website (part of the University of Colorado and funded by the National Science Foundation)."

The link is a classic example of choosing the data to support the hypothesis. Any user, however, can change the display parameters from "Southern" to "Northern" and will find data supporting the LOSS of ice. Play with the site, compare years, compare winter and summer to different decades. NORTHERN data support global warming persectivee. But again, to look at only this data in exclusion of all others, is no argument for any perpsective.

And if you're wondering if more CO2 and global warming is a good thing, email someone living near a coast or in the arctic. I myself would prefer to live a few hundred miles off shore, less likely to have flood or drought.

Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?JustMe |06 May : 16:34
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Reply to this		more...

Check out this link and click on the film, methane and the risk of even fasting global warming.



Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?FollowTheFacts_ |07 May : 11:07
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Reply to this		Bias is no issue here. Climate science is not even an issue.
Take the raw data, relabel it time and x. Take the data set to anybody qualified and ask what can be validly said about change in x over time. The answer is not 43% increase.

Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?Anonymous |12 May : 16:30
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Reply to this		It scares me that people who believe this website exist. I have always been told never to under estimate a large group of stupid people!

Re: Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?sad but true |19 May : 18:18
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Reply to this		it's unbelievable that uneducated people think they know something about science. Look at it this way:

If some idiot told you that the doctors or the world were part of some mass conspiracy, and so you should trust the idiot with your open heart surgery, would you trust him? Oh, and if you follow some people's logic around this site, then you'
d believe this:
doctors take money for their services.... so they MUST be part of a conspiracy!!! lol
Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?Dagny_Taggart |20 May : 10:53
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Reply to this		Such foolishness. Come on, Ragnar (Ayn Rand would be ashamed of you), admit that you misunderstood the study and change the title of the post. This is exactly the type of misleading pseudo-science you're apparently opposed to.

Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?student |23 Jun : 12:48
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Reply to this		[censored] yoiun guys, you aren't any help. im trying to do a project against global warming and the stupid teacher doen't wanna give us another laptop to work on it. now im bored and gonna flip you all off bcuz i cant find a decent website that is against global warming. so [censored] you guys! 8=====D~~

Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?thjones51 |29 Jun : 19:02
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Reply to this		I don't know anything about the antartic ice cap, but I know that for the last 5 years my hometown of Paducah, KY. has had the worst winters with the most snow ever on record! I have a very hard time buying into this global warming fabrication. Also if you happen to break one of those curly light bulbs, you will release mercury into the environment and must, by law, contact the EPA and they will advise you on the eight steps that you must take to minimize the spread of the mercury. Funny how these are only made out of the contry?? Just another bembocratic hoax to save the environment IMHO.

Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?JohnCr |14 Jul : 08:19
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Reply to this		This whole global warming thing became for me a hoax after the supposed meeting of 2600 scientists an a UN sponsored conference and they announced the majority of them agreed that global warming was man made. When the actual vote was exposed less then 5% of those attending had agreed. It seems to me that scientists go to these conferences but pay no attention to the media out put.

Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?onefish |11 Aug : 23:55
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Reply to this		This article has an interesting idea. I've gone to the site noted, and changed the years around in order to see the data output for myself. The output table can be modified in order to show more than one data point, so I've plugged in a different year in all 32 of the possible different rows showing March. After examing the data for the month of March for the last 31 years (no data in 1978) one trend that I notice is that extent has exceeded the median for the year in all but 4 of those year's data collection for March. A median isn't an average, it's the center point for all of the data. March is the end of summer in Antartica, warmer month right? Some months in each of those years had less ice, some had more ice. The OBVIOUS fact is in the SINGLE month of March in 1980 there was LESS ice than there was in March of 2009. It's been nearly 30 years, our planet has become more industrialized, more pollution, more cutting down trees, etc, etc... You'd think from a logical viewpoint there would be LESS ice in March of 2009 than in March of 1980. Global warming is controversial and fake. It's easy to argue about made-up things, let's argue about the actual color of grass being blue not green, I've seen blue-grass before!!! Or the color of the sky being purple, not blue, since I've seen purple skies before. It's all about how the data is presented.

Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?Anonymous |24 Aug : 17:06
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Reply to this		this is already known and has a scientific explanation:

Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?Guest |07 Sep : 08:11
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Reply to this		Well it looks like the retard right is at it again.

What a bunch of morons. Dumb ideas for dumber people.

Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?Guest |06 Oct : 20:49
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Reply to this		Some observable disturbing content is that when one confronts a liberal and maybe doesn't even have a valid point the liberal resorts to name calling and personal attacks. It is obvious you idiot, cow farts are causing our sacred mother earth to get to warm. I suppose that even if the ice were getting thicker or for that matter thinner. It makes little difference what I say since all of us are uneducated morons who obviously can't speak on the same level as the righteous. Me, personally, it’s a hoax that will simply tax the hard working people more while the politicians grow fat off others and the liberals pant at the table hoping for a crumb to fall.

Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?guest |24 Oct : 14:08
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Reply to this		If saving the earth is so important to the likes of Al Gore and his followers, then why do they spend all their time flying around the world telling us to go green while they put out more emissions than a small country. Seems to me that this could be accomplished without all the hypocrisy, And furthermore that goes for all the international types seems to me they should lead by example.

Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?Silentmime4 |03 Nov : 21:49
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Reply to this		Wow, i think that the temperature of earth may be increasing, but i don't believe that we have a lot to do with it. People should not be taxed on carbon. Do they even know what the main components of our atmoshpere are?
However, i believe that we need to take care of this beautiful planet that God created. If that means driving hybrids, using solar panels and planting trees, let's do so. It is our duty to try to keep the beauty of this world intact. What right do we have to destroy it>

Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?lsboogy |23 Nov : 23:48
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Reply to this		C'mon people - don't be like they are. The data only shows a 0.8% per decade trend - but it is on the positive. I think the data shows increase only in the Ross Sea, but this is still legitimate. The more BS science we run into this, the less likely we are to be take seriously. let the data show what is really going on here - otherwise we are the same as the cap and trade people.

Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?AnotherOldGoat |24 Nov : 04:29
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Reply to this		Funny or not!
In the early 70's there was a concern about returning to the ice age.
Then, as now, extremist are trying to capture their 15 minutes of fame.
Why is this?
Is it a diversion to more important problems or issues?
Before you jump fully into something you must study those attempting to convince you of something and also their habits.
People that truly believe what they say will change thier habits to conform to those beliefs.
Now have you seen those changes in the leaders of the global warming scare.
A word to the wise may be. What is being sold and what is being bought.
Money is in there somewhere!!!!!!!!!

Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?Guest |25 Nov : 04:17
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Reply to this		An increase in ice cover in Antarctica is expected with an increase in global temperatures.
There is an unique current flow around Antarctica and you can begin your research into it here:

Basically, with an increase in air temp. there will be a greater holding capacity for water vapor in the air. When air temp. decreases the holding capacity for water vapor decreases and the water falls out usually in the form of precipitation (rain, snow).

The globe does not increase or decrease in temp. uniformly and the Antarctic with its unique current is a good example of that. An increase in global temp. will create a greater difference between the warmer air around Antarctica and the cool air over Antarctica.

There will be more moisture from warmer areas bumped over the cold Antarctic area. Hence the increase in ice cover in the Antarctic. There are a bunch of other factors involved and all of this is expected with the increase in global temps so there is no media blitz about it.

A side note: The global temps. from the 30's to the 70's was recorded and the temps. did not follow the global warming predictions caused by CO2. This was because of the massive industrialization during that time with no pollution controls. Soon after the 1970's temps soared back up predicted levels and have held true since. Guess what happened in the 1970's? The Clean Air Act and many other pollution control regulations took place during that time. The particulates from pollution absorbed or reflected a portion of the sun's radiation (light) high in the atmosphere thus reducing the surface temps globally during the great industrialization. There is a lot of things that go into global temperature.

With that said, the earth spends about 80% of its time in an ice age and a controlled global warming plan for the next 10 thousand years might be a good idea. Uncontrolled global warming right now would make the lives of billions of people really hard and should be avoided.

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